Mad as hell an not taking it anymore?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Salted Weapon, Jun 8, 2016.

  1. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    Mad as hell an not taking it anymore?

    And yet there has been no real call to arms or direction, I have heard allot from many over the years yelling they are not going to take it,. and no compromise. What is needed is leadership from someone with the ability to group the masses. This is not the revolutionary war, there millions we need to group and streamline but how. There are so many keyboard warriors dumping tons of political goo that we slop that up instead of organizing and gaining unity.
    I left a major Northwest Gun group due to their liberal over the top friendliness, and yet when I warned and warned no one listed. And that is the problem, we can get on the computer complain, blame and get mad and then go back and sit in our chairs work in our shops, then get back on the keyboard at 8pm preach what wrong blame everyone and then rinse and repeat.

    Giving news and information is helpful, its not revolutionary and its not motivating anymore then a bowl of chili. Or sure it will last a few until something new to complain about takes it place.
    What is missing with all the b*tching and moaning is a solution. Its easy to blame and yell at the world for making our lives suck, but how about a direction in the process.
    It over welming the amount of BS on the internet day after day and yet progress is minimal.
    And if you search the same people travel the internet preaching and complaining and then do nothing in return.
    At this point guess the smart arses are saying I am B*tching about Ppl B*tching ?
    No not true I do not post just to see my own words I try and give a cause to a solution. I know we can not do this alone and isolating each other wont help.
    I was owner of my own group for awhile after it failed I learned by my mistakes that you cant fight every battle and win the war. In our group there were particular people that came on every day and posted the horrors of the world with no direction or help. Other then don't take it and fight fight fight, what ever the hell that was supposed to do ? What was lacking was leadership. I knew I was a smart person but was not the George Washington type and complaining and associating with complainers wouldn't work. And what I know we need now is leadership in this country to restore lost freedom, not from those that can complain and finger point. But can lead to a better nation.
    We need someone that can rationalize the danger and not run out and lose before you started. Something I feel the Bundies did was no leadership rush and many paid the price. Wanting to lead does not make you a leader. But we need one soon to get back what we are losing daily.

    A leader is one who knows the way, goes the way, and shows the way. ( jc maxwell )

    And we need one soon, !

    Because complaining seldom solved anything but always adds to the solution needed.

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  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    People will take it until they can't take it any more.
    and then there needs to be opportunity, whether presented or engineered.
    and then, depending on if the person is just pissed off, a tactical thinker or a strategist their action may or may not be noticed by the general population (i.e. the revolution will NOT be televised)

    We didn't get in this mess overnight, we didn't see it coming as clearly as we should have.

    Undoing it is going to follow the same progression.

    Unless of course, someone wants to be a martyr for the revolution. As those that step out first suffer the consequences, and then it depends on the rest to follow the revolution and suffer themselves until they win.
  3. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    anyone actually acting and leading isn't stupid enough to run around advertising it.

    I don't want to hear people mouthing off about what others should be doing or what they are not doing, nor do I want to hear people mouthing off about what they are allegedly doing. The trademark of a freakin shoe company applies: Just do it.
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Indeed. Nonetheless, we have no leaders, capable or incapable, with or without advertising. The fact remains, absent credible leadership, all the ranting and railing does nothing beyond expressing an opinion. More's the pity.
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  5. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Who is John Galt....
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  6. Tempstar

    Tempstar Old and crochety Site Supporter+

    Chimo, on the money.
  7. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    That happens to be one of two bumperstickers i have ever allowed on my truck. The other is "i don't care if it will fit, i ain't hauling it."
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  8. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Are we?
  9. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    No. John Galt activly worked to pull down the world, by knocking the legs out from under it.
    Domestic terrorist by today's standard.
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  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    As long as the older generations die off first, I am completely content with the whole country burning. Why? Because it needs to, it really does. The entire country is a corporate quagmire. The average citizen is a brainwashed zombie clone who doesn't even possess a marketable trade skill. Folks will look around and shake their heads in shame at the condition of this country, but they will have no clue that our fathers and our grandfathers, our mothers and grandmothers were the ones who welcomed tyranny in this nation. They still live in denial, supporting the very corporate oligarchy which blossomed under their noses and became the colossus it is today. We don't need leadership as much as we need a reckoning --and it's long past due for it. Our nation is rotten to its core, and there's no way to save it. If you can accept this, there's still hope.

    I believe we are strong enough to survive, those who prepare and can see what exists on the horizon. We can rebuild from the ashes and start a new world, but as long as we continue to hold on to something that truly doesn't exist, the tougher it will be to accept reality.
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  11. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    The fact is however liberal are setting up their Gods even if they are false Gods and they are organizing and advertising it and for over 12 years succeeded in progressing faster then any conservative group. As much as we may hate there actions. There was leadership
    and there was success anyone living in Oregon and Washington and watched the latest legislation can tell you the progressive leaders are well known and well organized, and we have whom ??

    Liberal Progressives did not wake up one morning and have majority, they kicked screamed, lied and stole their way to owning the movement. Conservatives, well we are barely seeing a fight. We see allot of pissing and moaning but again no leadership and without it we will not replace what exist, and it wont have staying power if we get lucky. Its not enough to take back this nation we need leadership to keep it that way period. Or we can all go on as usual and go back to the regular schedules programming and hope some else picks up our mess for us. ( by the way not going to happen ).
    Liberal hate them, despise them. They get sheat done and manipulate the system and in return, we complain about it.

    I agree we need a reckoning, however if only America falls others afar will gladly take what we leave behind.
    The world in all likelihood wont fall at once, those who fall first will in all probability not rise from the ashes is my concern.
    And in that race to obliterate our country well sadly we are winning that race.
    Without some leadership it will be easy pickings should the walls fall here in the United States.
  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I'm not afraid of the big bad terrorists™.
    We lost our country long before I was ever born. All that remains is the military arm of the holy corporate triumvirate.
  13. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    "Oh make no mistake. It's not revenge he's after, it's the reckoning."
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  14. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    But, people are starting to push back and in a major way. Look at this Trump movement. It goes against every way the talking hacks have tried to steer and/or discredit it and they are lost! Most common Americans are not the type to burn flags, throw rocks and shout obscenities via violent demonstrations. Will they? Sure. But, it has to be something to push them over the edge and with everything that has happened the past few years that edge is getting pretty darn close. But, people will try to change things via voting first. Whether that works or not - well - I'm skeptical but I'm willing to keep my thoughts to myself, hope, and give it one more try.

    Also, I don't know how many others have reached out to their Congressmen or Senators but I have since I've been back and I intend to do so again about this H.R. 5077 piece of filth. The NRA also is extremely well organized, can lobby with the best of the beasts, and probably has done more to keeping the 2nd amendment intact than any other individual or organization. But, IMHO the starter key to turning us around is the president for it's the presidential branch that enforces the constitution which has been twisted, turned and misused for a very, very long time. So, maybe Trump might not be my first choice but sometimes the 'times chose the man.'
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  15. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I have to piss in a bottle to work and make my living because insurance companies spent millions in lobby to get laws passed to reduce their overhead. I just got my State income tax returns prepared by a professional accounting firm and the State says I have to prove to them that one of my employers didn't reimburse me for the expenses I claimed. We elect law=makers that make laws that allow them to have no term limits and vote themselves bread and circuses at every turn. The President is just a token distraction, smoke and mirrors to let us pretend we still have a say. FDR made this country socialist, we can't take it back because our mothers and fathers need their subsistence. The World Bank controls everything. Our Republic can no longer function. We can push back all day long but if we don't push against the right thing, it is a waste of effort. Burn it down, kill all the lawyers and politicians, then maybe there is a chance except someone with more bullets will come out on top. Kadafi and Hussein both refused the World bank and their monetary system and we shot one and hanged the other and put it TV so we could all cheer because we were sold a bill of goods. The next thing you know, they'll be militarizing our police forces, putting video cameras everywhere, installing tracking devices in our cell phones and computers, and making us prepare tax returns on our income...
    One day, they may even be able to kill people by remote control, maybe from an unmanned aircraft or something..Little boys can decide to be little girls and visa versa, despite the presence or absence of a Y chromosome. Nobody publishes pictures of people getting eaten by lions but let a Doctor shoot one and the Walt Disney in everyone goes berserk.And don't get me started on dead monkeys and unsupervised stupid children.
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2016
  16. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    We have plenty of leaders...perhaps you are just looking in the wrong in the limelight.

    I do believe one of those leaders is looking at you in your mirror. ;)
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  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Wrong mirror. My strength as a leader is long dissipated, my days in such a position are over. Now, I'm a follower, but having been a leader, I can tell you, there aren't any leaders on the horizon worth following. Yet. Henry Bowman has not shown up.
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  18. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Oh horsepucky...once a leader, always a's in your blood even if you don't choose to do so anymore...but then again, you are in a leadership position here, on the Monkey...whether you like it or not people respect you and follow you.

    There are plenty of leaders out there...just because they are not in the limelight and attempting to lead millions or even thousands does not diminish them as leaders. Best leader I ever knew was a career E-5 who never officially led more than a squad.

    People need to quit waiting for leaders and messiahs and start leading themselves in their own way and in their own little corners of the world.
  19. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    OK first we need to all be leaders. I can not stress this enough. I have said it over and over. Take responsibility for your self. Identify your OWN issues first and fix them. If you drink or do drugs, stop. If you are not educated, read. If you want to learn something, you better do it as if your life depended on it. This is not a what if anymore. This is going to happen and we all know it, we just don't know where to start. Well I am telling you where to start. It is with yourself. Use every tool you have and ESPECIALLY tools you make have ruled out for reasons undefined. Go back and look at the craziest things you never considered. I recently read an article that said a lot of famous smart people in the world have been taking micro doses of LSD to get smarter.

    Second, there are things all of us can do today. Take the problems down to basics. What are the issues? How do we solve them? For example: the country is filled with zombies. Why? because news/TV/internet/brainwashing. Solution, get rid of those things. Watch Fight Club the movie. They are on roof tops smashing satellite dishes, destroying cable boxes, changing billboards... These are ways to make people get out of their houses and wake TF up. There are sooo many things to do and ways to do them. You can do them alone, with friends, or what ever just as long as they get done.

    Lastly, there is a shit storm coming whether we start it or not. It is a very large shit storm the likes of which this country, and even the world, has never seen. We need to make sure we survive that because the ones who are already prepared to survive it are not the ones we want in charge. Do it for your kids, your friends, your family.
  20. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    The reality is yes we all must take control of our lives, but I think most monkeys here are of that nature.
    So preaching to the choir may not have as much and impact.

    Oregon, has gun lobbys, ( I was once one), we have large groups up and down Oregon. I live in the most conservative county in Oregon that is the most vocal as well. However, in 2015 when SB941 was going thru the pipe to remove private sales. 7 out of 10 here had no idea there was any such bill and even less knew when it had passed. I did what I could but there was not enough leadership in Oregon to accomplish the task needed, perhaps this analogy will make sense better then my original post. Sure there are people that can lead, but to get far and wide will take more then just local and family leaders. If that was the case SB941 should not have passed and Dems should not be in power. But it did and they are.
    Yes there is a storm coming only the ignorant refuse to see it. I think many think they will grab their BOBs and AR's and go play end of days man. I have heard leaders, I have seen leaders. I have been a leader still am in my family here . There is needed much more then my comprehension of what we have available. Is Trump the answer, I doubt it, he is a answer but not the answer.
    These local groups get started and fizzle out because when it comes time all to many want a piece of the pie.
    I guess to be even cleared what is needed is leadership we only see in the Military people that will with honor do their duty as civilians and get the job done without bitching and whinning how unfair life is and just get it done. But the chain of commend makes that possible something no civilian leader in a very long time has done. Hopefully this explains it better.
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