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Man resists internal border patrol checkpoint.

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tango3, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  2. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    wow. dude has balls.
  3. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    very informative! I watched the entire thing very closely. my biggest concern on a traffic stop is that if i do not allow a warantless search of my car or person they will detain me until a drug dog arrives. Then i will be screwed just because more than 90 percent of our money is contaminated with minute traces of drugs. i am not a drug user or seller, but when a drug dog alerts on my wallet, it is all going down hill from there. So that being said how does an innocent person resist?
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

    45 minutes but worth it.:
    YouTube- BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters
  5. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I don't like this constitution free zone crap.. seems border patrol, can stop at these inland check points to detemine citizenship; contraband search should fall under the 4th.
    " Good afternoon sir :
    citizenship ?"
    driver: "u.s".
    "Thank you sir have a nice New Mexico day; on your way".
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  7. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    from rense.com:
    [/SIZE]</dt><dd>YouTube- Pastor Beaten in Retribution by Border Agents

    <dl><dt><center>[SIZE=+4]Suspicions Confirmed[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]
    Jim Kirwan
    4-21-9[/SIZE]</center> </dt><dt><center> </center>
    </dt><dt><center><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="555"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top" width="100%"> <dl><dt>[SIZE=+1]When I wrote the first time about this potentially lethal problem between people and those that supposedly are protecting us, I was unaware that there[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]was a 'part two' to this story. The man featured in the first video which supposedly ended with his 'release' from the Border check-point well away from any national border when he was fine, and had apparently been allowed to claim his rights under the Constitution; and allowed to simply continue on his war. That partial story is here: (1)[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]Apparently there was a second video made by the same man a day or so later. After the first tape, the border-patrol guards produced a drug-sniffing dog which they said had detected something suspicious in his trunk; and they began demanding that he co-operate and open the trunk of his car. When he refused, the Arizona equivalent of the Highway Patrol arrived and made the same demand. The Pastor asked them to ask the Border Patrol to bring the dog back to confirm what he and the Highway Patrol had been told. The Border Patrol refused to do this. At this point the same border-patrol agents from tape one proceeded to break into his car, They Tasered him repeatedly until he was immobile and then forced his head into the broken glass from his car windows. The officers then dragged the screaming and helpless man from his vehicle, where they proceeded to force his head into the pavement where more broken glass was pressed into his forehead and face: This was accomplished by a Border Patrol officer who literally stood on the "suspect's head, while the other officers laughed mockingly. (2)[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]The message was clear-this is what citizens that demand their constitutional protections from illegal search or seizures, of their being or their property, can now expect to receive when dealing with official thugs hiding behind the golden badges of ICE and the Border Patrol; in these quasi-legal checkpoints that are only meant to terrorize and punish people for failing to jump to their every illegal order![/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]The Pastor ought to sue the State of Arizona for allowing this and the Federal government for its criminal belligerence in attempting to do bodily and potentially long term harm to an innocent civilian-who was demanding that his rights as an American be respected.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]In the wider world, when someone knows what will happen to them: as these two tapes so clearly show: then those who are stopped in this fashion should expect not justice or fairness from these thugs but the worst possible treatment, for the slightest infractions, of any of the made-up restrictions on civil liberties which these thugs were hired to create and brutally enforce.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]If the public's "cooperation" in these abusive invasions of our lives, is not allowed to have any other outlet but forced-compliance, at the scene of these check-points, then it may soon come down to following the officers from the check points and holding some unofficial conferences with them, when the circumstances and the non-options of that situation are reversed. These crimes against the pubic simply cannot be allowed to stand. When the Law fails the public so blatantly * then the members of the public, that are still free, will find their own ways to equalize this situation.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]These openly aggressive acts, committed with ever increasing belligerence against the public must be ended, that's why there are laws that are intended to protect people from these kinds of criminal abuse. If there are no laws for the lawmakers and the thugs that carry out their illegal orders * then there can be no laws that restrict the general population from taking matters into their own hands: Because ultimately we are each responsible for ourselves. When your life is being threatened it is your responsibility to keep yourself alive. That is why we have the Second Amendment to the Constitution * and that is what this illegal government is trying to force people into publicly and violently reacting * so that they can declare Martial Law.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt><center>[​IMG]</center> </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]Consequently we must be smarter than that; and we must use what we know about what is needed for each and every one of us to live * including the thugs in uniform. There are ways of isolating individuals from their comfort zones of existence so that the message can be delivered to each of these barbarians one at a time, without the threadbare "cover" of that filthy shroud that used to be know as "The Law."[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]This is a war about who shall have the right to live and who shall die, not in some far distant place, but here inside America where so many have thought they, in particular, were immune from the kind of treatment we have always shown to anyone outside the USA whenever and wherever we have chosen to brutalize and murder or torture anyone else at will. The genie is out of the bottle now: and it is the ordinary American that is now the target in this phase of the owner's War-Upon-the-World.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]Get to know the laws that supposedly protect you, but at the same time begin to think strategically about how to survive this new confirmation of your loss of liberty and the end of your country as you have known it. Use your head and channel your reactions, to deny these fascists what they want to achieve with obscene force, because they have tried everything else; and that's still not working for them! We're coming to the final phase of this attempted theft of what was ours and we need to get creative now. If we can do this as individuals, we will survive: But if we give-in to rage or knee-jerk reactions then it's over and we'll lose the chance to finally change this in the end.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]'Half-truths kill the mind just as surely as do lies. We live by the shock of reality especially when those realities concern the submerged sections of our own minds.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]Only when we know the worst about ourselves, others, and this world in which we live-only then can we begin to take hold of the facts. . .' paraphrased from The Mind Spider by Fritz Leiber © 1959[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]kirwanstudios@sbcglobal.net[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]1) Abusive Border Patrol Agents with Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint * video[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks&feature=player_embedded[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]2) Pastor Beaten in Retribution by Border Agents - video[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWM0NgTI3lw&feature=channel_page[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]BACKGROUND[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]You Are A Slave To The Government:[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHxvVuIxJ9A[/SIZE] </dt><dt>
    </dt></dl> </td></tr> </tbody></table> </center> </dt><dt>
  8. Rockfish Dave

    Rockfish Dave Monkey+++

    Reading the comments as a professional man in my fourties I have a definite opinion on the guy in the video. I say he did the right thing.

    He stood up for his rights, he actively put himself in harms way to expose a blatant abuse of authority, assault and violation of his constitutional rights. Could he have choosen not to get involved? Sure but he didn't and as a result may save someone else from the abusive treatment that he was subjected to.

    The constitution is there for us, it has been stained by the actions of those in positions of power and it is High time these people be held accountable!

    For the record I am pro law enforcement and know that the border patrol has a huge problem to deal with, but I cannot and will not overlook the trampling of the surpreme law of the land. There are bad apples everywhere and shame on the officers that just watched this transpire.

    Bravo Zulu!
  9. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    As I understand it from the video, (27 min.) the man in the car being "detained" by "Border Patrol Agents", is 100 miles away from the border?I'd like to know where this was....seeing as I live in Arizona, I think it would deserve attention form the DOJ and the US Marshal's Office.
  10. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Now I understand he is in Arizona....coming from San Diego.
    I still have some reservations about the search of an Americans vehicle with the "questionable" suspicions on behalf of these agents!
    I watched all videos, and have to say:
    I am not in the least bit surprised anymore....
    This is ONLY the tip of the iceberg!
    Police state here we come....
    Janet Napolitano will be a large part of it too!
  11. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Iinternal border patrol check points and the so called "consttution free zones(100milesfrom the usborder) were a big issue last year,

    Fact Sheet on U.S. "Constitution Free Zone"<!--EmailTitle End-->

    The problem

    • Normally under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the American people are not generally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches.
    • The border, however, has always been an exception. There, the longstanding view is that the normal rules do not apply. For example the authorities do not need a warrant or probable cause to conduct a “routine search.”
    • But what is “the border”? According to the government, it is a 100-mile wide strip that wraps around the “external boundary” of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
    • As a result of this claimed authority, individuals who are far away from the border, American citizens traveling from one place in America to another, are being stopped and harassed in ways that our Constitution does not permit.
    • Border Patrol has been setting up checkpoints inland — on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship. Unfortunately, our courts so far have permitted these kinds of checkpoints – legally speaking, they are “administrative” stops that are permitted only for the specific purpose of protecting the nation’s borders. They cannot become general drug-search or other law enforcement efforts.
    • However, these stops by Border Patrol agents are not remaining confined to that border security purpose. On the roads of California and elsewhere in the nation – places far removed from the actual border – agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing.
    • The bottom line is that the extraordinary authorities that the government possesses at the border are spilling into regular American streets.

    Much of U.S. population affected

    • Many Americans and Washington policymakers believe that this is a problem confined to the San Diego-Tijuana border or the dusty sands of Arizona or Texas, but these powers stretch far inland across the United States.
    • To calculate what proportion of the U.S. population is affected by these powers, the ACLU created a map and spreadsheet showing the population and population centers that lie within 100 miles of any “external boundary” of the United States.
    • The population estimates were calculated by examining the most recent <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> census numbers for all counties within 100 miles of these borders. Using numbers from the Population Distribution Branch of the US Census Bureau, we were able to estimate both the total number and a state-by-state population breakdown. The custom map was created with help from a map expert at World Sites Atlas.
    • What we found is that fully TWO-THIRDS of the United States’ population lives within this Constitution-free or Constitution-lite Zone. That’s 197.4 million people who live within 100 miles of the US land and coastal borders.
    • Nine of the top 10 largest metropolitan areas as determined by the 2000 census, fall within the Constitution-free Zone. (The only exception is #9, Dallas-Fort Worth.) Some states are considered to lie completely within the zone: Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont.
  12. WestPointMAG

    WestPointMAG Monkey++

  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    lol classic:'" Man I wouldn't do dat sh*t if I wuz you!"..

    Thanks for the good laugh! back to TM 31-210...
  14. WestPointMAG

    WestPointMAG Monkey++

    next you need to read TC 5-31 it goes right along with TM 31-210 then read FM 5-20 if you do the stuff in it right you may never need the other two.
  15. fcb98292

    fcb98292 Monkey++

    >>However, these stops by Border Patrol agents are not remaining confined to that border security purpose. On the roads of California and elsewhere in the nation – places far removed from the actual border – agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing. >>

    It won't stop there. After the next large attack on the USA, such 'administrative' stops will be implemented along every state and interstate highway (not already closed off in the name of national security) that crosses a state line. Part of martial law. Indefinitely, meaning permanently. Mobility will be subject to "your papers, please" ala 1930s Germany. Couldn't happen without a major trigger event. Prepared and enjoying life.
  16. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    fm5-20( camouflage)[beer]? I learned everything I needed about camouflage from this:

    YouTube- How Not To Be Seen [gun]:D
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