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Many Without Food: Winter Survival Depending on Gov't

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Brokor, Jan 30, 2009.

  1. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Definitely not preppers, and not tribal. This is the type of thing that concerns me, both for my own sit and for the continued need for a nanny shepard.
  3. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member


    How long have we all heard to "be prepared"? I think the scouts have used it since the early 1900's.

    I hope that those who are in need right now wake up and do their best to be prepared for the next storm.
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Boy Scouts were founded (in the US) in 1910. Baden-Powell set it up in the UK in '07. It is said that Baden-Powell first used the motto "Be Prepared" (for anything) somewhat earlier than the establishment of Scouting in the UK. :D

    (I wasn't there, tho' some might think so.) :lol:
  5. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Life after ice storm dire, getting worse in spots

    MARION, Ky. – In some parts of rural Kentucky, they're getting water the old-fashioned way — with pails from a creek. There's not room for one more sleeping bag on the shelter floor. The creative are flushing their toilets with melted snow.
    At least 42 people have died, including 11 in Kentucky, and conditions are worsening in many places days after an ice storm knocked out power to 1.3 million customers from the Plains to the East Coast. And with no hope that the lights will come back on soon, small communities are frantically struggling to help their residents.
    On Friday, one county put it bluntly: It can't.
    "We're asking people to pack a suitcase and head south and find a motel if they have the means, because we can't service everybody in our shelter," said Crittenden County Judge-Executive Fred Brown, who oversees about 9,000 people, many of whom are sleeping in the town's elementary school.
    Local officials were growing angry with what they said was a lack of help from the state and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In Grayson County, about 80 miles southwest of Louisville, Emergency Management Director Randell Smith said the 25 National Guardsmen who have responded have no chain saws to clear fallen trees.
    "We've got people out in some areas we haven't even visited yet," Smith said. "We don't even know that they're alive."
    Smith said FEMA has been a no-show so far.
    "I'm not saying we can't handle it; we'll hand it," Smith said. "But it would have made life a lot easier" if FEMA had reached the county sooner, he said.
    FEMA spokeswoman Mary Hudak said some FEMA personnel already are in Kentucky working in the state's emergency operations center and that more will be arriving in coming days. Hudak said FEMA also has shipped to 50 to 100 generators to the state to supply electricity to facilities like hospitals, nursing homes, and water treatment plants.
    Hudak said travel is still dangerous in some areas and communications are limited.
    "We have plenty of folks ready to go, but there are some limitations with roads closed and icy conditions," she said.
    From Missouri to Ohio, thousands were bunked down in shelters, waiting for the power to return. Others are trying to tough out the power outage at home, using any means they can to get basics like drinking water, heat and food.
    Lori Clarke was stuck at home in the western Kentucky town of Marion with trees blocking the road out. She trudged more than half a mile through snow and ice carrying 5-gallon buckets to bring drinking water for her horses and dogs and to flush her toilet.
    "When you live out in the country, you just shift into survival mode," she said.
    Even for those who wanted to leave, it wasn't possible. The one gas station in Marion that was up and running was able to supply gasoline to emergency vehicles only until another delivery of gasoline arrived Friday. Only half of that gas was made available to the public, and there was a $10 limit.
    Linda Young, who is staying the town's shelter, said her car only had enough gas in it to get around Marion. Even if she had gas, there was nowhere to go — all of her relatives in other parts of Kentucky also were hit by the ice storm.
    "For right now, this is the best we can do, so this is where we're at," said Young, as she sat on a mattress with her 9-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter.
    By midafternoon water service had been restored to the city of Marion thanks to a generator, while efforts continued to restore service to the outlying county, Police Chief Ray O'Neal said. Residents were being told to boil the water before drinking it.
    Meanwhile, the death toll was rising: Since the storm began Monday, the weather has been blamed for at least 11 deaths in Kentucky, nine more in Arkansas, six each in Texas and Missouri, three in Virginia, two each in Oklahoma, Indiana and West Virginia and one in Ohio, with most of them blamed on hypothermia, traffic accidents and carbon monoxide poisoning from generators.
    Among the latest deaths reported were those of a man in his 60s, a woman in her 50s and a woman in her 40s who were found in a southwestern Louisville home Friday. The younger woman was found in bed; the other two were found in the garage, along with a generator, police spokesman Phil Russell said.
    The fight to return power to Kentucky and other areas affected by the ice storm is difficult because of the sheer number of outages, but also because of the ice itself. Crews have joined the effort from around the country, but than a half-million homes and businesses were still out in Kentucky on Friday, along with roughly 78,000 in Missouri and 284,000 in Arkansas. Thousands more were still in the dark in Ohio, Tennessee and West Virginia.
    "As ice is melting, power lines and tree limbs are springing upward and hitting other power lines," said Rita Alexander, spokeswoman for Gibson Electric Membership Corp. in Tennessee. "It is just an unpleasant part of the process."
    While generators were able to bring some water pumping stations back to life Friday, thousands still didn't have access to running water, and thousands more were under boil advisories. Roughly 200,000 people across Kentucky still don't have water. In Hayti, Mo., alderwoman Lisa Green said a temporary generator was in use to run the water plant, and power was being moved around to pump wastewater through the sewage system, she said.
    That wasn't enough. "Our water plant is up and running, but people are inundating it," Green said. The community has received some bottled water, she said, but needs more.
    A precious few had enough supplies to tough it out alone. Stephen Cates said his home was being warmed by kerosene heaters and an electric furnace powered by a generator that he waited 4 1/2 hours in line to purchase in Evansville, Ind.
    He was flushing his toilet with melted snow, and could even watch TV.
    "I'm living just like I have electricity, just about, eating hot food," Cates said.
    Contributing to this report were Associated Press writers Roger Alford in Leitchfield, Ky., Dylan T. Lovan, Rebecca Yonker, Brett Barrouquere and Janet Cappiello Blake in Louisville, Ky., Betsy Taylor in St. Louis and Randall Dickerson in Nashville, Tenn.

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  7. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    Thanks Bokor. [winkthumb]

    The other day on the local news they were talking to a man that had to drive 50 miles one way the day after the storm to get gas for his Genny. Now this storm didn't pop up out of now where. So with a little of for thought he could have likely driven 5 miles the day before the storm and got fuel. [beat] Ice storms are not a rarity around here, but at work you always here people talking about going to stock up before one. [loco] When they hit we really don't worrie much. I'll usally bring in a little extra firewood, DW will make sure the clothes/dishes are all washed, but thats about it.

    If the power goes out the wood stoves keep us warm and cooks our food. We have a hand dug well so water isn't an issue.

  8. OzarkSaints

    OzarkSaints Monkey++

    OG....just got off of the phone with my sister (we're from far SE Missour-ah), and they went and bought 2 propane heaters from a fella on the day the storm was coming in (I think?), he said he didn't need 'em anymore 'cause his new electric heating unit was installed the week before.....literally, a few hours later the area he was at was outta power and still are.....bet he is wanting those propane heater back something fierce!

    it's not so much funny as just simply amazing to me that ya got a major winter storm a few hours away from landing on top of ya, and ya sell off all your means of heating except your electric!

    anyway, all the best to all got up in it...
  9. mecdac

    mecdac Monkey++

    This is worse than Katrina, 200,000 people without power for a week, it is only because they are white that a black President is allowing them to die.
  10. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

  11. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Pssssss:the govt. blew up the substations pass it on....[booze][fnny]
  12. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    lol or maybeit was those geese
  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    [fnny] dang foul fowl anyway
  14. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Even today, AFTER all we have seen and some have witnessed first hand....
    People refuse to prepare, or worse...they really do believe that they are safe..."The Gov't is gonna be there".... mentality!
    I have beat my gums until they are sore, screamed until I am hoarse, and begged until my knees have bled...Some will not listen....Some think I'm a nut case..
    Yeah well, let's all go back to that lame old story of : "the grasshopper and the ant....."
    I have grown weary of the battle, to save those that would not lift a finger nor spent a cent, to save their own lives.....
    I pity them.
    Worse yet, I feel sad for those both young and old ,that simply cannot defend themselves against the ignorance and arrogance of their own families....
  15. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Same thing we see down here with a hurricane on the way - many just WON'T prepare! A bad one can knock down power in some areas for a week or more, and knock out city water too!
    Well, that's why we Preppers are seen as so 'odd' - because we are NOT the norm.
    Too many grasshoppers, and too few ants...... [dunno]
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