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Matthew 24:22

Discussion in 'Faith and Religion' started by Quigley_Sharps, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

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  2. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    The answer to the implied question is No!

    Am assuming that correlating the two references is just a bit of wry, tongue in cheek speculation of the ripley‘s believe it or not kind.
  3. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    According to the Andrew's Study Bible, NKJV- Matthew 24:22, "Jesus promised that God in His sovereignty and love would limit the duration of that experience."

    What is the "experience" that is to be shortened? The tribulation that is coming before the Lord returns. Most bible scholars that I've read estimate the length of the tribulation to be from 7 to 3 1/2 years. Of course, that's just an estimate.

    I haven't really looked into it myself with any great discernment, as the Lord will either get you through it, or He won't. One's fate is sealed- by the choices you make- before the tribulation is over.

    Kind of hard to prep for a seven year stretch, isn't it? No fear, if you are on the Lord's side, he will provide the needed sustenance.
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  4. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    The "shortening of days" is referring to shortening the time period not the day itself. If the time of the tribulation was not shortened "no flesh would survive". But for the elects sake, the days will be shortened. This statement is one used to dispute the rapture theory that Christians will be "taken away" before the tribulation period. This realization is what pushed me into prepping in the beginning.

    A more apropos verse might be Luke 21:11. The "earthquakes in various places". Of course we have always had earthquakes and wars and pestilences but these are to be as the pains of a woman in childbirth, ie; increasing in frequency and severity. To the point that you know the birth is at hand. And these quakes in various places will culminate in the final "great" earthquake of Revelation 6. A global event that will throw down mountains and effect every country in the world. The word translated as "great" in this verse is only used 3 times in all of scripture, the GREAT tribulation, the GREAT flood, and the GREAT earthquake of Rev. 6:12-17. That quake will not be great as the USGS defines a great earthquake, 8.0 and above, but a great worldwide earthquake of biblical proportions.

    “I looked and He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood….every mountain and island were moved out of their places. The the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and the rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?’” (Revelation 6:12-17)

    A look at the last few decades does indeed show a drastic increase in both frequency and intensity. According to USGS statistics the number of 8.0 or greater quakes worldwide from 1980 to 1989 was 4, 1990 - 1999 was 6, 2000-2009 was 13. And from 2010 through 2012 there were 6 and from 2012 through the first quarter of 2013 there were an additional 3 for a total so far this decade of 9. Well on track to significantly surpass the 3 previous decades.

    From April 2012 to March 2013, there were 13 major and 3 great earthquakes.

    In the past seven years or so, there were 12 USGS defined great earthquakes.

    The United States Geological Service records hundreds of thousands of earthquakes that occur every year, though most of these aren’t noticed because they are so small in magnitude. In the last 30 days, there were roughly 400 earthquakes of magnitude 4.0 or greater. The earth is doing a lot of shaking and quaking! (Meyers R. Earthquakes in diverse places. Commentary, March 29, 2011)

    In 2011, there were more earthquakes in the of 5.0-6.9 range per the USGS (Earthquake Facts and Statistics).

    The rate of earthquakes has accelerated greatly in certain areas since 2009:

    A new United States Geological Survey study has found that middle America between Alabama and Montana is experiencing an "unprecedented" and "almost certainly manmade" increase in earthquakes of 3.0 magnitude or greater. In 2011, there were 134 events of that size. That's six times more than were normally seen during the 20th century. While the changes in the area's seismicity began in 2001, the trend has really accelerated since 2009, the geologists note. (Madrigal A. Middle America Is Experiencing a Massive Increase in 3.0+ Earthquakes. The Atlantic, April 6, 2012. Middle America Is Experiencing a Massive Increase in 3.0+ Earthquakes - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic

    A record earthquake occured on April 11, 2012 and seems to be part of an accerating trend:

    LOS ANGELES (CBS) — Four large earthquakes struck around the Pacific Rim Wednesday with one setting a record, as the most powerful strike-slip quake ever recorded. (Cluster Of Large Quakes Serve As Reminder For Preparedness. April 12, 2012. Cluster Of Large Quakes Serve As Reminder For Preparedness « CBS Los Angeles)

    In 2001, there were 137 earthquakes of magnitude 6.0 or greater and in 2011 there were 205...a magnitude 8.6 earthquake struck off the coast of Indonesia and that was rapidly followed by a magnitude 8.2 earthquake off the coast of Indonesia...Normally we only see about one earthquake of magnitude 8.0 or greater per year. The magnitude 8.6 earthquake was the most powerful strike-slip earthquake in recorded history. If that earthquake had happened in the United States, it would have probably been the worst natural disaster in U.S. history. (Ring Of Fire Is Roaring To Life and Earthquakes Of Historic Importance: US West Coast. American Dream, April 17, 2011. Ring Of Fire Is Roaring To Life and Earthquakes Of Historic Importance: US West Coast | Energy and Environment | Life and Science - Right Side News)
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  5. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Have done a wee bit of studying and have come to the conclusion that worrying/fretting will get you no where. If you are in God's will you will know what needs to be done and do it. If not then it does not matter what you do. IMO the severe problems will last @ 3 1/2 years--and be on a scale never before seen in history---and that is a horrible thought. Thinking that we will all be doing some traveling (pray that your flight not be in winter). Well, it will be winter somewhere on the earth all the time so what can you prepare for. Be "right" and follow the leadership of the Holy Spirit in your affairs. For those who discount said leadership--no problem--time will tell. When the "seals, scrolls, trumpets, judgements" start happening it will be swift and unmistakable. Some will cry out but most will turn a rebellious ear----just like the thief on the cross beside Jesus. Times are not ready yet---things are going to get mighty awful soon and then events will quickly unfold. This is just an old farts opinions and you should make your own judgements on what is true and what is not.
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  6. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    As in the days of Noah so shall it be. They laughed and scoffed at Noah right up until the time that the door to the ark was shut and then they all drowned. Noah was the worlds first recorded prepper. And he and his family survived. But he had to build the boat and stock it. He didn't sit around and say "I'm not worried, God will provide for me."
    1 Timothy 5:8
    But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
  7. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    If you back up a bit into Matt 24 you will see that the disciples are sitting and personally asking Jesus when the end times will come. Jesus answers their concerns. This is from later in the chapter:
    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
    46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
    Does this say to you that we should be prepped (faithful/wise-ruler over his household--meat..ready)?
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  8. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    It's nerve racking watching the event's unfold in front of us, as Prophecies are lining up, a sense of extreme urgency is pulling at my heart. It's reminiscent of being rear ended in a car accident, you don't know why, but you feel led to look into the rear view mirror only seconds before the impact.
    " If I'd only seen it coming a few seconds earlier, I could have moved out of the way." this the feeling that's come over
    The heavens are shaking, the world is being hammered by extreme weather, How many time this year have we heard "Unprecedented." when talking about the weather. The floods alone are responsible for wiping out countless crops,we're paying more for food and the portions are getting smaller! Severe winters and floods are killing livestock all over the world, the food supply is being decimated.
    Polio has made a comeback! I thought we were bragging that we had abolished it, Dengue fever has infected millions of people in Brazil, South America and cases are showing up in Texas and Florida, Cholera is running rampant in Mexico, Africa and all over the Middle East.
    A 27% increase in Hyperthyroid disorder is reported all along the West Coast of America (as reported by ABC) is directly linked to the disaster at Fukashima, with an "unprecedented" Warning that the entire Western Seaboard, Mexico, California, Oregon, Seattle, Washington State, Canada and Alaska might have to be evacuated!
    I find it curios that theses state are among the most Liberal States in America! Coincidence?

    This stuff is no joke, as far as "THE BIRTHING PAINS" go, we're almost at the peak of 10cm, these thing are coming along very quickly.
    The Bible tells us these exact kinds of things would happen to signal the end times. Jesus told his people that these are only the beginning of sorrows, WOW!!!
    The world will be controlled by FOOD!! Plain and simple!!
    Wal-Mart was stripped to the bone in 2 hours, over a glitch in the food stamps, along with mini riots across the affected states. this is only the beginning.
    People have said to me "Don't worry Jesus is coming back to get us, we don't have to worry about all that."
    We are all disciples of Jesus Christ, having said, that look what happened to all of his original Apostle's! Are We ANY BETTER THAN THEM? Read what they went through for him, if we think we are not going to suffer, the question becomes, WHY? Math: 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    It's certainly not supported in the Bible, unless you distort or twist or misinterpret,a very few scriptures, in which case there's a veil over your eyes.
    Christians have become Lazy and Apathetic, as a direct result of these teachings. We sit on our hands put a little money in the plate and go about our business daily. Matthew 13:22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. Matthew 24:12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
    When the plagues fell upon Egypt, they all went around the city of the slave's (Gods People), or they received warnings to put the Blood of the Lamb on their doors, gather water.....
    what we plan for, is not out of Fear (well Maybe a little), its out of survival. How much more effective is our witness when we survive what is to come, and come across a family pushing a shopping cart, full of what is left of their worldly life, only because we survived the initial chaos, give them food, clothing, and we can show them that God Through his Prophets and then Finally his Only Son, Jesus Christ, warned all of us this time was coming. It would seem they might be a little more receptive!!
    The time to learn how to get along in bad times, is when the times are good, there's room for error at that point, once it starts there is none.
    Rev: 18:4
    "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying , Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
    Quickly, look in the rear view mirror, there still a little time to avoid the crash that's coming.
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  9. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    1st blood moon of the tetrid falls on Passover April 2013, the next on the Feast of Tabernacles 2014, the third Passover 2015, and the final blood moon falls on the Feast of Tabernacles 2015 last time this happened, Israeli 6 day war and they Recapture Jerusalem, the time before that Israel got the holy land back except for Jerusalem!!! All according to Gods Calender, not ours!!
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  10. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    Spot on for your first post, Gopherman! I prep because I felt compelled to, and will be helping those who need it when the time comes. Yes, the church is going to be filling to the rafters once people begin to realize that they have NO control over what is happening to them.

    Christians ARE NOT exempt from this! Anyone who believes that is following false doctrine. If the bible doesn't say so, it isn't.

    The problem to this newly full church is when the False Prophet comes- the Deceiver. The bible states that he will be so convincing that he will fool our leaders into believing he is Jesus. Know your bible, folks! That's how you are going to be able to tell who is who. There will be a great shaking out of those who follow the wrong one. Your decisions are paramount, and will determine who's side you will be on.

    As for the Blood moon, I wouldn't put much faith in it, as it is a Kabbalist teaching, and not a christian one. If the dates line up, I'm sure it's not a coincidence, but a deliberate plan enacted that the Lord is letting happen- He won't be responsible for it, but the Deceiver will be.
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  11. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    Hello my brother,
    The blood moon is clearly spoken of, maybe not the tetrid by name, but it certainly is no coincidence that the last 2 times it happened were major victories for his chosen people. Christians are getting to high on themselves if we begin to think about us being the reason. It's alway been about the Jews, they got 11 apostles, we got 1, he was a great one, no doubt about that, but still.
    Luke 21
    20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."
    I know I'm preaching to the Choir, Hallelujah, but here's another Blatant example of Jesus telling his people we're going through it. I don't even want to know how pre-tribbers get to their conclusion, There in for a rude awakening.
    I have a Original Christian Music Ministry here in Mobile al. We do outreach. My wife and I got blessed at a function we were invited to about a year ago, we bought a 30' x 40' tent, if you would like to hear some of the Music the Lord blessed me with here's the link.
    Covenant 1 Music, Lyrics, Songs, and Videos most of the songs here were written in a 1/2 hour to an hour. They are all gifts from the Holy Spirit. Not your typical Red Book Hymnal but when you listen to the words you get where they came from.

    Covenant 1 Music, Lyrics, Songs, and Videos
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  12. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

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    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

  14. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    If you think about what was going on in time of Noah, The flood was to wipe out the Nephillum, I wonder if their coming back?
  15. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    Most assuredly they will be coming back. Satan has a short time left, and if anyone doesn't believe that he's not going to pull out everything in his arsenal, they are deluding themselves. Of course we know Who will win in the end- but up until that time, I think it's going to be no holds barred.

    Matthew 24:21 "For then there will be great tribulation, such has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

    Think the Aztecs at the end of their earthly greatness, sacrificing dozens of people at a time, every day was pretty bad?
    Think the fall of Rome was pretty bad?
    Think the bubonic plague was pretty bad?
    Think Stalin was pretty bad?
    Think the 20th century- two world wars and hundreds of smaller regional conflicts- was pretty bad?

    I don't think we've seen anything, yet.
  16. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    no brother it gets a lot worse!!!! My wife and I are getting together and gonna get of the beaten path, try and get a more down to earth life, where we depend on God to supply our needs through the fruits of our labor, not and Merry Go Round of money chasing. We are going to sell all of our worldly stuff and get some property and dig in. I raise meat rabbits and grow some vegetables now, getting better all the time.
    We want to stay in the ministry but not in the world. Going to by a 32 foot travel trailer and stay in it until we get settled and built in then sell it.
    We plan on only working a couple days a week if that. Going to try and be self sufficient, only going into town for ministry outreach. Rabbits sell really well maybe make enough off that I wont need to work.
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  17. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I am not the scholar of the bible others have shove themselves to be, But i am struck by one passage. " Math: 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
    They say, if you can see an incoming cannonball, it is dead on target, and you are about to die. This passage brings a vision of a world killing asteroid to mind. It would blot out the sun and the stars, the heavens would be eclipsed by it very position, and it would announce itself with winds and screaming(trumpeting ) on a grand scale. Much more impressive than that little one over Russia.:(
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  18. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    I am a licensed Non-Denominational Minister, which really doesn't mean much more than the paper it's printed on.
    The first three trumpets in Revelations are asteroids.
    The Trumpets
    6Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpet sprepared to sound them.7The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A thirdof the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain,all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A thirdof the sea turned into blood,9a thirdof the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the skyon a third of the rivers and on the springs of water--11the name of the star is Wormwood.A thirdof the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.12The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a thirdof them turned dark.A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
    Greek translation of Stars is Aster- root to asteroids obviously.lol But we have a Telescope in orbit around the planet called aster and that's all it does is look for asteroids.
    As far as those who call themselves a Bible Scholar Beware. The bibles got a lot in it. Now there are people who devote their whole lives to the study of the Word, they'd be the first to tell you there's sooo much to learn you never get it all, however the prophecies are laid out pretty plain, the cat's back in the day were not the brightest bulbs in the shed! That's why Jesus taught in Parables, story type analogies that the common man could grab onto. It wasn't until after he died that the Holy Spirit came to dwell in the hearts of believers and give them the Eye's of the Heart to see, and interpret the scriptures. There's a lot of deceit in the Organized Religions today, that's why my wife and I avoid them! We do outreach in impoverished neighborhoods, Drug Rehabs, Nursing home's, etc.....
    I have had Miracles happen to me in my life and my wife has actually witnessed a couple of them. I was called to Ministry, when your called you either listen and go or life gets rough.ohno
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  19. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Keep at it brother/sister. I ran for 27 years before giving in to His ministerial call. Back to the thread--Jerusalem was put under siege for several years before being demolished completely. Their horror of hunger/starvation will be eclipsed by what is coming. Am a "mid tribber"--meaning that I think we will be here for @ 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period before being taken out. Do not want to get into a discussion of "mid/pre/post trib" stuff. The point is--we need to be ready physically and more importantly spiritually. If we are not well grounded and know what we know then the shallow rocky ground we are in will not support our lifes. We can face uncertain times knowing full well that God will allow nothing on us that He will give us the strength to endure and conquer. If you do not have that depth of faith then read His word, dig in, and be nurtured. Will be more than happy to answer specific questions. Those that I do not know the answers to we will dig until we do. I teach a study on the last Friday night of the month on what ever folks want to "flesh out" so your topics may become my focus of study for them also. Thanks -06
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  20. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    Hallelujah Brother,
    Let he with eyes to see and ears to hear!!!
    It's the job of the watchmen that God shows things, to sound the alarm, however each of his people is supposed to be watching as well!
    I have been shown some things and for me and my house, We're going to listen. What he's shown me is that when Egypt was suffering great plagues they never went to the city where the Israelite's were living, "Come out of her my People, lest you receive of her plagues" It rains on the righteous and the Unrighteous alike. He can protect us if we separate ourselves from what is to come.
    "In one hour the great city has fallen" if your living there when it happens..... just say'in!
    We are going to Arkansas after Christmas to look into a Christian Community we've been researching for the last month. We are selling all our "FLUFF" taking the money and getting out of this life style of overabundance, that has led us to be more seekers of money. than seekers of GOD.
    I look at what I do every day, its a pursuit to make enough money to get up and do it again tomorrow. Its pathetic, I invest 100% and receive 15% For my efforts. I would rather Grow my own food (non-GMO), as much as possible, raise my own animals for meat, without steroids and chemicals, or risk of food borne disease/poisoning.
    Work all day with my wife, and spend more quality time with my children.
    I would have more time and freedom of schedule to Minister as well. But most of all I will have more time to devote to the plan God has for us.
    Jesus was the ransom!! Yes, but, what was he saying the entire time he was walking around, REPENT of your sins, TURN from your wicked ways, and follow the commandments of the Father, then you shall have everlasting life.In other words WALK THE WALK!
    I have to tell you though the more I get ready to do it the more anxious I become. I am so used to this I can hardly imagine another way.
    I'll still work some, but only a very part time until I can make it without it. Got to keep the Car registered, kid in cloths, that kind of thing. Gonna see how selling rabbits goes.
    Everybody's all over the place looking into prepping, Prepping?
    150 years ago it was called everyday life, that's how far removed we are from the lifestyle God intended for his people and shows how dependent on others to supply our daily needs. God Used to do it, Now it's become Big Business and Uncle Sam.
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