Mayor Bloomberg: Police Drones are Here, Get used to it!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mindgrinder, Mar 26, 2013.


  1. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.







    Grrrrrr
     
  2. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I expect nothing less from The Midget Facist.
     
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  3. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Tracers on hand and ready for the hunt when they come down low.
     
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  4. Quadfather

    Quadfather Monkey

    If you shoot it do they shoot back? It's just a drone. No risk of harming a human.
     
  5. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    For what it might be, there's an article in National Geographic this month yapping about drones and all the potential for good. The privacy issue doesn't get enough play, but that's sorta expected.
     
  6. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    If enough of them start going down the "shoot back" part will probably start.
     
  7. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    I like the PART where you shoot the Toy Drone, with a 5mw Green Laser, and burn out it's Eyes... CCD Eyes are very sensitive to Green Laser Energy... If the Driver can't see where he is Driving, then he will likely crash his Toy, very quickly, because they don't have any other way to navigate except visually... (I am talking, the Toy Drones that can't fly higher than 400 Ft AGL)
     
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  8. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Try one of these 1W lasers:

    Spyder 3 Arctic Blue Laser Pointer | Wicked Lasers
     
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  9. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    Interesting....
    Personally...i think the counter is RF Denial of Service but I don't know enough about how they comm with hq to start trying to figure it out. If it's sat-up the lag would be pretty bad so I figure it is prolly cell for local and maybe sat for long distance movement from base to area of op.
     
  10. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Blue is the wrong Color to burn out the CCD... To high in frequency, and Red gets adsorbed to quickly along he path... Green is the ticket. Most of these Toy Drones are going to be 2.4Ghz Digital Controlled, certainly not Cellular Based Control. That makes no sense at all...
     
  11. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    You think the Preds are "toys"?
    I'm not talking aboot a Parrot AR drone running on your iphone....
    I'm thinking more like how to drop the lot of them with a modified ham radio or something like that....confess...i don't know enough about how they communicate with the operators though....but if you knew the freq and even a couple of the command queries it wouldn't be hard at all the ping it to death the same way you would with a tear drop or fire wall rake.

    For those of you who are derping....
    Denial-of-service attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Aint rocket science.
     
  12. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    At 1W of power shouldn't a blue laser of this power fry the CCD?
     
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  13. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Go back and retread Post #7 .... Duh....
     
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  14. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    The CCDs likely being used are not that sensitive to Blue Light... And Red loses its Power Density faster as It traverses to the Drone in Air, because of moisture, than Green. So Green is the ticket.
     
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  15. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    Go back to Post #1 and reload....
    You're on what? 1.5mb sat up?
    What's your ping like at speedtest.net?
    I'd guesstimate over 100ms is useless for real time drone control so it's not gonna be sat.
    LTE cell? That's probably how it's done at a best guess.
    Can u mess with those freq with a modified HAM? I do not know. Someone here does though I bet.
     
  16. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    None of the drones that are in the class of less than 400'' AGL are using SAT based Control Links, they couldn't Lift the Control Systems let alone the Cameras and other Sensors... And those that the FEDs are using in the Stan's are Fly by Wire, where all they are doing is issuing instructions to the on board Computer that is flying the Drone.... This how they get around the Latency issue... Nothing is "Real Time" it is all just "Near Real Time" which is good enough for the missions they are flying, and the Harware they are Flying........
     
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  17. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.



    2km...not enough.
     
  18. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    That unit is higher than 400' AGL... Just look at the picture...
     
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Post #1 didn't differentiate between military and paramilitary drones.

    Predator and Reaper (ETA: and NASA Global Hawks) drones are equipped with autonomous control systems that fly the machine in real time. Both can be "driven" by remote control, but in general do what they are programmed to do before they need to do it. Like, for example, "go to X long and Y lat and look at (Reaper) or zap (Predator) what you find there." I am not so sure that the commands in flight aren't sent by spread spectrum as well as coded, and certainly by satellite. Not an easy nut to crack. Moreover, they cannot maneuver like an F16 or anything with an on-board pilot, these are most assuredly not fighter aircraft, and they are highly vulnerable against an enemy with an airforce that is operable.
    ETA: Just found out that Reapers can also be armed.

    Now, we aren't really talking about the war birds, we are talking "aboot" the stuff that the DHS and it's minions (like Bloomdummy) have or will. Them is zappable easily enough, or at least blinded. 400 feet AGL is within shotgun range, just blind it first in case they are transmitting pix in real time which will have you found in short order.

    ETA: zero has ordered the FAA to open airspace for drones or as they prefer, UAVs. That will take a while to get it all sorted out.
     
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  20. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    TBH it's the same to me...but thanks muchly for the food for thought.
    Any drone that can drop a vial of liquid or powder is a threat.
    I hate having this discussion in public....frankly I just want some sort of purely academic discussion about drone defense for when "figurative country x,y or z" finish their drone carriers other than waiting for them to get close and taking a whack at them with a shotgun or green pocket laser.

    Purely academic with documented "no intention to engage."
     
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