Might Have Some Bearing on Recent Firefox Related Problems

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Seacowboys, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    In the past two years, Google's Chrome browser has made remarkable strides against Firefox and the rest of the the browser field. Chrome's share of the market has gone from 5% to 18%, according to Net Market Share, and Firefox's share has dropped from 25% to 22%.
    (Remarkably, Internet Explorer still has 52% of the market, though that's down from 62% two years ago. Apple's Safari is stuck at an irrelevant 5%).
    If nothing changes, Chrome will soon vault ahead of Firefox.
    But, as Ed Bott observes over at ZDnet, something big may already have changed. Specifically, Mozilla, which makes Firefox, may have had its oxygen supply cut off.
    The Mozilla Org is funded almost entirely by a toolbar deal with Google.
    The little Google search window you see at the top right corner of your Firefox browser is a paid product placement: For the past several years, Google has paid Mozilla something on the order of $1 per copy to have that window there. Last year, that Google search window accounted for 84% of Mozilla's $123 million of revenue, or about $100 million.
    The Google-Mozilla search deal ended in November. There has been no update about whether it has been renegotiated.
    Ed Bott asked Mozilla about the status of the deal, and Mozilla hemmed and hawed. Specifically, Mozilla referred him to a 2009 announcement saying that Mozilla believes that "search providers will remain a solid generator of revenue for the foreseeable future." When Bott pressed them about the Google deal, Mozilla said, "we currently do not have an update to share."
    Now, if you're Google, and you're trying to build Chrome into the world's leading browser, and you have the ability to pretty much put one of your two biggest competitors out of business by pulling the plug on their funding, you might do that, right?
    Yes, it's safe to say that you might.
    So, will anyone else step in to save Firefox to hold off Chrome?
    Well, Microsoft certainly might. And inasmuch as Microsoft is not just trying to keep Internet Explorer relevant, but is also trying to build a Google-killing search business, one would expect Microsoft to step in. But it's December 4th, and we still haven't heard anything.
    So, what's going on with Mozilla--and, thereby, Firefox?
    Ed Bott predicted earlier this year that Firefox is toast. Even if Microsoft does step in and save Mozilla for another year or two (or Google renews its own deal and keeps Firefox alive), the writing does seem to be on the wall.
    Based on the trends of the past two years, the browser wars will soon be between Microsoft and Google. And then, beyond that, it will be interesting to see whether Facebook, Amazon, or Apple make a truly serious push.

  2. Redneck Rebel

    Redneck Rebel Monkey++

    I absolutely abhor the Chrome browser. If it comes down to it I'll make the switch to Opera as I already use Opera Mini on my phone Opera Mobile on my tablet and Opera 11 when running Linux.
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Thanx, SC, for that bit, did not know.
    However, the recent problems I have/had with Ff are related to age and the OS on this machine, not Ff. Ff works as well as it always did on the other machine. Next replacement for this 13 year old (upgraded now and then) machine, well that's another story, next machine will be having a whack at some things I want to try, like dual boot and other browsers. This machine and I are comfortable with each other, most of the time, and old habits die hard. Old and slow aren't bad when your pulses match.

    Now I have to dig in and find out where those artifacts in the startup menu are hiding ----
  4. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    my machine was built to run 98se
    i did upgrade to w2k a while ago cuz of satellite
    next os change will be to linux
    hate he newer spyware loaded windows
    wont ever use them
  5. Yoldering

    Yoldering Monkey+++

    FYI, the FireFox that came with the new release of Mint is Duck Duck Go...
    Duck Duck Go: The new default search engine is Duck Duck Go. It doesn't show different results depending on who's making the search, it doesn't track or record user information, it provides you with optimized results and it's built on and contributes to Open Source.
  6. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I run pure Chromium in Linux, It's Chrome without the Google.

    FF is losing market share because they made an erroneous decision to stick with the Gecko engine when the others are moving to Webkit, which is much faster, much easier on CPU resources, etc.

    I occasionally open a version of FF to check it out and what was once (long ago) a quick little alternative to IE is now a bloated dog.

    BTW Reneck Rebel, we're opposite - I can't stand Opera... ;)
  7. Gafarmboy

    Gafarmboy Monkey+++

    I love Opera

    Have used it for years now. Like the way it thinks and when using JAP, you are almost invisible.

    As for the rest of the pack...let 'em cook in their own greed...

    scpn likes this.
  8. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Yah.. I think Opera is **** too and agree that FF is bloated. I use Google Chrome 100% of the time and use FF, IE to test my applications with. I honestly couldn't give a **** about safari.
  9. Redneck Rebel

    Redneck Rebel Monkey++

    I did too until I actually bothered setting it up to mimic the way I have FF set up. Once I found all the right plugins and got a handle on the privacy controls it was good to go. The one feature I like about Chrome is the built in task manager thingie. Comes in handy when those flash games freeze and you can just kill the single tab while retaining everything else.
  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    I have Chrome as an alternative browser in case my IE goes belly-up. I really don't like Chrome - too stripped down, seems almost nothing there. The opposite of IE, which has too danged much useless drivel on the screen.

    Still looking for a happy medium that will allow me to totally bypass my current CenturyLink/IE combination in times of trouble.
    I keep the IE, so I have commonality with my work system.

    What ever happened to Nutscrape...? IE pretty much eclipsed it, then it seemed to disappear from the market?
  11. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    As Chrome is from Google who uses non expiring dom cookies; I avoid using it.
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  12. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    That's a joke right?
  13. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

  14. Not that the cookies don't expire - they expire in 2038, I think.
  15. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

  16. Now this I have to see. Adobe's being annoying again (for Linux), only chrome/chromium seem to want to follow their pepper idea. I might consider a switch...
  17. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Nice ..and as a bonus, you can pretty much copy your profile from G-chrome to the default profile in SW..

    I have it up and running now.
  18. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Iron grabbed my Chromium profile and bookmarks automatically. .deb and .tar.gz available at the link above.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  19. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    might have been a function of the linux version. I'm on win7. I have a love hate relationship with linux. Everytime I use it, I always feel like I've stepped back in time 8 years on the experience scale. But that's just me.
  20. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I feel the same way with Windows. I think it's about how you configure things and the flavor you're using. My Linux systems have a more spectacular desktop experience (eye-candy) than my Windows systems. I say use what is the best for you.
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