Minority Report, here today.

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Minuteman, Apr 16, 2010.

  1. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Crime Prediction Software Is Here and It's a Very Bad Idea

    There are no naked pre-cogs inside glowing jacuzzis yet, but the Florida State Department of Juvenile Justice will use analysis software to predict crime by young delinquents, putting potential offenders under specific prevention and education programs. Goodbye, human rights!

    They will use this software on juvenile delinquents, using a series of variables to determine the potential for these people to commit another crime. Depending on this probability, they will put them under specific re-education programs. Deepak Advani—vice president of predictive analytics at IBM—says the system gives "reliable projections" so governments can take "action in real time" to "prevent criminal activities?"

    Really? "Reliable projections"? "Action in real time"? "Preventing criminal activities"? I don't know about how reliable your system is, IBM, but have you ever heard of the 5th, the 6th, and the 14th Amendments to the United States Constitution? What about article 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? No? Let's make this easy then: Didn't you watch that scientology nutcase in Minority Report?

    Sure. Some will argue that these juvenile delinquents were already convicted for other crimes, so hey, there's no harm. This software will help prevent further crimes. It will make all of us safer? But would it? Where's the guarantee of that? Why does the state have to assume that criminal behavior is a given? And why should the government decide who goes to an specific prevention program or who doesn't based on what a computer says? The fact is that, even if the software was 99.99% accurate, there will be always an innocent person who will be ****ed. And that is exactly why we have something called due process and the presumption of innocence. That's why those things are not only in the United States Constitution, but in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights too.

  2. Jack Cracker

    Jack Cracker Monkey+

    Do you think anyone has ever tried the 'frog in a pot' thing?

    I call BS on the hole warm and fuzzy idea of incremental-ism and think that the frog would jump out when he got to warm. Sooo... think... think.... How do you make sure you boil the frog??? hmmmm. think.... thinky, think. thunk!

    Put a lid on the pot before you turn on the heat.

    So, how do we remove the lid???????? hmmmm. gonna have to think, think, think about that one.

    Jack ;)
  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    That you in your avatar Jack?

    I agree with what I think you said about the lid on the pot but I think that maybe you are smoking pot as well?
  4. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member


    Yeah, I can only say that the existence of government itself is the root cause of criminal acts -rules, laws, codes, requirements, statutes. It never ends.

    This is debatable naturally. Many people will argue that they NEED government. As long as this dependency exists, so will crime continually be on the rise.
  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    ALL Governments are, at the end of the day, nothing more than naked force used against the governed by the goverment. Everything else is just details...... [stirpot]
  7. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Its official....the monkey has many new official members. Click away, click away.
  8. OzarkSaints

    OzarkSaints Monkey++

    Melbo....the movie the pic is taken from is called 'Chopper' about Mark Chopper Read.....great movie!

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    ...Jesus....I just scrolled back up to look over this again....IBM....the same company that helped Hitler commit genocide on the Jews...I assume everyone is familiar with this, but if not, then here is a starter:

    Edwin Black's Investigation Into IBM

    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.[/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.
  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Just boiled a frog in an open pot and it did not try to jump out. At least in Mobile, it is confirmed. No smoking involved.
  10. OzarkSaints

    OzarkSaints Monkey++


    Some will argue that these juvenile delinquents were already convicted for other crimes, so hey, there's no harm. This software will help prevent further crimes.

    (End Qoute)

    yup...that is also exactly what they'll say to get the first Verichips in people against they're will...they'll start puttin em in child molesters instead of just puttin a bullet in em....an I'll be shocked if even a dozen politicians vote against it, cause they'll know if they do that their next election they're opponent will scream about how they voted to give child molesters easier access to your kids...

    ...not sure the connection, but my understanding is that IBM has parent ownership or some major connection to Verichip...

    ...either way, Verichip is government approved for implantation into human beings and last year I watched an interview with one of their head guys talking about how their new chip is implantable in the collar bone region and can be GPS tracked from outer space satellites and how it is approved, patented, and in production
  11. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    I believe, in addition to 'chipping' certain criminals (which the sheeple will embrace!) the Goobermint will also play it up as a way "To protect the children!", and again the sheeple will applaud it. It'll be like getting the kid his flu shot - "Jab & Chip Special!" [stirpot]

    Never mind the poor kid grows up, and his every movement can be tracked by...... who knows...?
    At work we have 'key fobs' to electronically unlock certain doors we are allowed thru - the program can be changed if our status changes. Now imagine, your chipped kids are counted on roll call as they pass through the school doorway.

    Eventually, you can't get a job, into school or conduct any business without being chipped. It's coming - we don't have to like it, but 'they' will force it on us.

    The technology is HERE today. All that awaits is conning the gullible public into embracing it. That is coming quickly.
  12. fireplaceguy

    fireplaceguy Monkey+

    This is another fine illustration of why I'm always telling people it's later than they think.
  13. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I gotta admit that chipping certain criminals makes a LOT of sense to me, and in some cases de-chip them when the sentence is served. That said, I don't know how to draw the bright line between the bad guys and the good guys that don't need and are unwilling to be chipped.

    Some, like child molesters and sociopaths won't get de-chipped ever if I get my say-so.
  14. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    I agree a Lead Chip in the .308 size would do nicely.[gun]
  15. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I have no problem with either of those, but only AFTER being convicted of a crime. This is talking about doling out "treatment" and intervention because they think someone "might" commit a crime. That's a 90 degree slope covered with about an inch of KY jelly!!!
  16. USMCwife

    USMCwife Monkey++

    Chipping them is just another solution to a government problem that doesn't need a new solution. The original solution worked just fine until they got lax. KEEP THEM IN JAIL! If they were not out on the streets after being convicted of raping children then the whole chip idea is kaput! Why would you need to keep track of the whereabouts of someone in the state pen? Anyone who is willing to give up liberty for security deserves neither.
  17. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I think that the range of crimes worthy of capitol punishment should be expanded. Forcible rape of a minor should be a death penalty offence. And I mean a violent, non-consentual rape, not an 18+ 2 days old having consentual sex with his 17 1/2 yr old girlfriend. Rape or other violent assault on the elderly, death. Malicious torture and or killing of animals, death. And by that one I mean burning a kitten alive type cruelty not processing animals for slaughter in a meat packing plant.
  18. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Call it Future Attribute Screening Technologies (FAST)

    Research it.

    The DHS, Science and Technology division and the Human Factors/Behavioral Sciences division is very busy keeping us safe.

    Verichip. I have friends that want their kids chipped (like their dog) so that they know where they're at. ooOOOOoo! It's awesome technology!
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] :rolleyes:[/FONT]
  19. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

  20. Jack Cracker

    Jack Cracker Monkey+

    Whoa: That's hardcore Cap'n mythbuster. Did you put it on YooToob?
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