Money flows out of hedge funds at record rate

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  1. hacon1

    hacon1 Monkey+++

    Money flows out of hedge funds at record rate

    By Deborah Brewster in New York

    Published: December 30 2008 23:35 | Last updated: December 30 2008 23:35

    Investors pulled a net $32bn from hedge funds last month, making 2008 the first year in their recorded history that the funds have had significant outflows and ending the industry’s 18 years of asset growth.

    Money has been taken out of funds following every strategy, even those – such as macro funds – which were showing returns, according to data from fund trackers Hedge Fund Research.

    The funds enjoyed net inflows for the first part of the year, even as the financial crisis hit and traditional mutual funds began to show outflows.

    However, in September a tide of redemptions began, according to TrimTabs, another fund tracker.

    Conrad Gann, chief operating officer of TrimTabs, said: “We estimate outflows in November were $32bn, and there is an additional pipeline of redemptions that have not been filled, there could be $80bn [of redemptions] in December.

    “There are $57bn of redemptions that we know are in, that are not reflected yet,” he said.

    Mr Gann said it was difficult to estimate outflows for coming months because hedge funds had different redemption cycles.

    In recent months funds have also tried to halt outflows by limiting or suspending investor withdrawals. This means that data on outflows, which reflect actual repayments to investors, understates the true picture.

    Some funds, such as Chicago-based Grosvenor Capital, have split their assets into liquid and non-liquid baskets, which has made it harder for investors to get their money back immediately.

    This is the first year since at least 1990 that hedge funds have seen a drop in assets. The combination of performance losses and investor redemptions pushed industry assets down by $500m during the year, to $1,500bn at the end of October, according to HFR.

    Hedge funds lost an average of 19 per cent in the 11 months to the end of November, it said. That loss easily eclipses the 1.5 per cent lost in 2002, the only previous annual loss since records began in 1990. In the 11 months to November, Standard & Poor’s 500 index lost 37 per cent.

    The funds had outflows of $43bn for the 10 months to the end of October, according to HFR. With TrimTabs’ estimate of further significant redemptions for November and December, the funds will show outflows of more than $100bn for the full year. In 1994, the only previous time they had outflows, the figure was $1m.
  2. Quantrill

    Quantrill Monkey++

    So if people are pulling money out of hedge funds where the the hell are they putting it? I thought a hedge fund was a place to put money "just in case".

    If my understanding of a hedge fund is correct (bonds, ect, ect,..) we are really not doing well but, it also begs the question where are investors putting it? I mean billions of dollars have to go somewhere, I doubt it is all going in a box in the closet. I think if we knew where all the money was going we could maybe better understand what will happen next.

  3. overbore

    overbore Monkey++

    Swiss bullion dealers are working 24/7 and can not meet demand. Price of gold is approaching my benchmark price of $900 / oz to indicate it will not retreat--for a sound reason; our economy and dollar are not--. [shtf]
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