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  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    BOSTON (Reuters) - Disaffected people living in the United States may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the Internet and that could present the next major U.S. security threat, U.S. "We now have a capability of someone to radicalize themselves over the Internet," Chertoff said on the sidelines of a meeting of International Association of the Chiefs of Police.
    "They can train themselves over the Internet. They never have to necessarily go to the training camp or speak with anybody else and that diffusion of a combination of hatred and technical skills in things like bomb-making is a dangerous combination," Chertoff said. "Those are the kind of terrorists that we may not be able to detect with spies and satellites."
    Chertoff pointed to the July 7, 2005 attacks on London's transit system, which killed 56 people, as an example a home-grown threat.
    To help gather intelligence on possible home-grown attackers, Chertoff said Homeland Security would deploy 20 field agents this fiscal year into "intelligence fusion centers," where they would work with local police agencies.
    By the end of the next fiscal year, he said the department aims to up that to 35 staffers.
  2. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Next stop.... Formal internet licensing, controls and access.....:rolleyes: .... hmmmmmm.... "parental controls" at a whole new level....

    Although it is kinda scary the kind of information folks can access on the web....:eek:
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I dare you to google up "how to make a bomb"
  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

  5. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    FBI director wants ISPs to track users

    Robert Mueller becomes latest Bush administration official to call for ISPs to store customers' data.
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    Staff Writer, CNET News.com
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    FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year. "Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.
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    In events that were first reported by CNET News.com, Bush administration officials have said Internet providers must keep track of what Americans are doing online.
    June 2005: Justice Department officials quietly propose data retention rules.
    December 2005: European Parliament votes for data retention of up to two years.
    April 14, 2006: Data retention proposals surface in Colorado and the U.S. Congress.
    April 20, 2006: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales says data retention "must be addressed."
    April 28, 2006: Rep. Diana DeGette proposes data retention amendment.

    May 16, 2006: Rep. James Sensenbrenner drafts data retention legislation--but backs away from it two days later.
    May 26, 2006: Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller meet with Internet and telecommunications companies. June 27, 2006: Rep. Joe Barton, chair of a House committee, calls new child protection legislation "highest priority."

    "All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. "We must find a balance between the legitimate need for privacy and law enforcement's clear need for access."
    The speech to the law enforcement group, which approved a resolution on the topic earlier in the day, echoes other calls from Bush administration officials to force private firms to record information about customers. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."
    Justice Department officials admit privately that data retention legislation is controversial enough that there wasn't time to ease it through the U.S. Congress before politicians left to campaign for re-election. Instead, the idea is expected to surface in early 2007, and one Democratic politician has already promised legislation.
    Law enforcement groups claim that by the time they contact Internet service providers, customers' records may have been deleted in the routine course of business. Industry representatives, however, say that if police respond to tips promptly instead of dawdling, it would be difficult to imagine any investigation that would be imperiled.
    It's not clear exactly what a data retention law would require. One <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = NEWS /><NEWS:LINK id=6119878>proposal would go beyond Internet providers and require registrars</NEWS:LINK>, the companies that sell domain names, to maintain records too. And during private meetings with industry officials, FBI and Justice Department representatives have cited the desirability of also forcing search engines to keep logs--a proposal that could gain additional law enforcement support after AOL showed how useful such records could be in investigations.
    A representative of the International Association of Chiefs of Police said he was not able to provide a copy of the resolution.
    Preservation vs. retention
    At the moment, Internet service providers typically discard any log file that's no longer required for business reasons such as network monitoring, fraud prevention or billing disputes. Companies do, however, alter that general rule when contacted by police performing an investigation--a practice called data preservation.
    A 1996 federal law called the Electronic Communication Transactional Records Act regulates data preservation. It requires Internet providers to retain any "record" in their possession for 90 days "upon the request of a governmental entity."
    Because Internet addresses remain a relatively scarce commodity, ISPs tend to allocate them to customers from a pool based on whether a computer is in use at the time. (Two standard techniques used are the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol and Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet.)
    In addition, Internet providers are required by another federal law to report child pornography sightings to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is in turn charged with forwarding that report to the appropriate police agency.
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    The Europe-wide requirement applies to a wide variety of "traffic" and "location" data, including: the identities of the customers' correspondents; the date, time and duration of phone calls, VoIP (voice over Internet Protocol) calls or e-mail messages; and the location of the device used for the communications. But the "content" of the communications is not supposed to be retained. The rules are expected to take effect in 2008.
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    This shit must cease. I'm in an area right this minute that has it's government fingers under every skin in the land. It is not pleasant.
  7. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Don't you guys want .gov to have the tools to catch those terrorists? ;)
  8. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

  9. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    We have the tools, it is just a matter of using them to make a glassine surface for returning space craft to land on. I'll entertain a discussion on the collateral damage to innocent bystanders when the radicals waste their own people trying to hit the infidel.
  10. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I was being sarcastic and should it have noted it better in my post. Just more .gov intrusion into our lives, when does it end?
  11. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    It ends when life is exactly like it is in '1984'. That is, it never ends. Most politicians are lazy, power-hungry, maroons. Now, give them direct power over people and there is no need for them to change the way things are done. The people will be the slaves, the politicians will have all the power and they will be as stupid as a smashed cabbage. Big Brother is coming to get us and is creeping closer day by day. I have only one thought....

    {This message edited because there is no free thought anymore. Thoughts are illegal and will be handled appropriately. Please report to the nearest re-education camp. Your Big Brother}
  12. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

    Ah, grasshoppa, it is time for you to go.
  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Started tackling Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" (1170pgs), the gist(?) of the story is a world where the real productive movers and shakers in society get tired of the bs of the lazy, slobs,and politicians and just quietly step back outta the picture( I think they hole up in a retreat town somewhere) , people stop showing up for work. The gov imposes an order where leaving your current job is a criminal offense, as is working fewer hours or spending less on consumer goods than last yearfor the duration of the "current crisis". Haven't got to the relevant stuff yet( that doesn't start TIL about 1/2 way in), and it reads like a romance novel so it's hard slogging...
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