I figure instead of just complaining about politics in here, I'd post something someone might find useful. I wanted to upgrade the stock of a Mossberg Persuader I had lying around. I didn't have a shotgun with a pistol grip, so, I wanted to see if there was: any improvement in feel any reduction in recoil overall increase in utility of the gun I bought a Knoxx kit that came with 2 different cheek pieces (one had the ability to hold 5 rounds). I think Knoxx must have sold out since I bought this. Here is the Blackhawk version (minus the cheek rests). 38885 - SpecOps Shotgun Stock Pistol Grip Mossberg Warranty I've had this thing for about two years now. The first time I installed it, the geometry of the gun was WAY off. Without rifling sights or ghost rings, your line of vision was just way above the BB sights. Recently, I found what is called a "Stock Drop Spacer" by Advanced Technology. Rifle Stocks and other Gunstocks for AK, AR, SKS and more - Advanced Technology International USA ATI's Stock Drop Spacer In my opinion, without this spacer, the Knoxx stock was useless (without buying a ghost-ring setup). With the spacer, the feel of the gun feels good. It feels better without the 5-shot extra cheek rest, but, that's one of the reasons I wanted this set-up. This is the gun that stays close to the front door, so I don't want to look around for shells. So, for this particular gun, I have 9 in and 5 on the cheek. One of the selling features is a reduction in recoil. I don't really have a range report to tell whether or not this is true yet. I pushed down using quite a bit of force on the butt to see how much give there would be on the recoil spring and there wasn't much. I was expecting more. Cons: Spacer needed for correct line-of-sight geometry OR Ghost rings needed Stock itself makes getting at the pump release cumbersome. Overall: Unless there is a huge let-off in recoil, I don't think the price for these stocks is worth it for a gun I paid ~$200 for (clearance at Dick's...guess no one wanted a desert camo shotgun). I didn't really care about this, but, at night, if the moon is out, the desert camo is noticible (where I live). I imagine if you lived in the southwest or midwest, this wouldn't be an issue. I'll follow-up with a range-report focused on the recoil when I find the time to shoot.