Mukasey: Mexican database to track U.S. firearms

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by E.L., Jan 23, 2008.


  1. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Mukasey: Mexican database to track U.S. firearms

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-16-us-mexico-firearms_N.htm

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    MEXICO CITY (AP) — A Spanish version of an electronic database will help Mexican authorities trace American firearms found in Mexico, U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Wednesday.
    Mexico has long complained that organized criminals and drug traffickers rely on stolen U.S. weapons to outgun Mexican security forces.
    "E-trace will allow the tracing of weapons that are found in Mexico, so we can figure out precisely where in the U.S. they are coming from," Mukasey said, during a one-day visit to Mexico City. He didn't say when the data would be available.
    Speaking at a news conference with his Mexican counterpart, Eduardo Medina Mora, Mukasey said the database will help both countries diminish the illegal firearm trade between the U.S. and Mexico.
    "We know that neither one of us can solve this problem alone," he said.
    Since taking office a little over a year ago, President Felipe Calderon has asked the U.S. government to do more to battle the illegal arms trade.
    Medina Mora welcomed the announcement, saying it was "indispensable that we establish common criteria to solve this problem."
    Bush and Calderon have tried to increase cooperation in the fight against drugs, as Calderon wages a nationwide battle against gangs responsible for a wave of killings nationwide.
    Bush has proposed sending a $1.4 billion aid package to Mexico to help Calderon's effort, but the proposal is stalled in the U.S. Congress.
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    That whole plan does not register in my mind at all. They know the guns were stolen here, what possible advantage accrues to knowing where they were bought and by whom? About all that might reveal is who they were stolen from. Did I get that part right? So we are thinking of sending money south of the border for something that will tell us what we already know? I think I need a drink, maybe that will make it clear to me. [lolol][boozingbuddies]
     
  3. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I don't this at all.

    Then again, I don't like half of their country living over here either.
     
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    So what's next? Mexico appeals to the U.N.general assembly for aresolution to help "secure" America's small arms?
     
  5. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    Mexico should pay for a database listing where the illegal people are coming from. But then again they don't give a spit. Maybe there should be a stream of illegal guns to them like a stream of illegal aliens to us. Maybe then they'll be interested in actually sealing the border from their side.
     
  6. MbRodge

    MbRodge Monkey+++

    so now the Mexican .gov now has my SSN, my driver's license number, my height, weight, address...and the fact that I own several other weapons? Everyone, except our own .gov, acknowledges the fact that the mexican .gov is more corrupt than our own and we as a people are expected to sit back and allow them to be entrusted with our personal data? I predict that we will see a rash of home invasions and firearms thefts throughout the South very shortly.
     
  7. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Well gee, that sounds like a much better idea than just secureing the boarder so the illegals (guns from the north and people from the south) dont cross the boarder in the first place.


    Dripping sarcasim intended.
     
  8. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    No what's next is the dollar becomes the "amero" and the US, Canada and Mexico become one big happy family. No wonder no one has actually built a fence - it won't be allowed! Then our guns laws can be changed to be more "in line" with our bros to the north and south.
     
  9. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Wait, how does the Gov. have this information to start with? It is against the law for them to keep all of that information. Come on now, you don't think that our own Gov. would actually break the law do you? [lolol]
     
  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  11. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    4473s stay at the shop untill the FFL gives up lisence or dies and the gov is not allowed under law to keep a registry of gun owners but it gets ignored.
     
  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The program isn't designed to "find where weapons come from" in the United States, it is a bipartisan effort to gain publicity and support for gun control. Anywhere we see crime -the finger gets pointed. And now, in Mexico (where crime is abundant) the corporations have control of the "government", if you can even call it that -with the greatly appreciated help of the CIA (like always), and NOW we are expected to believe this trumped up fairy tale about OUR guns causing trouble in a third world country that doesn't even have a recognizable GNP...

    This program is about America. It's about controlling guns in America, not stopping crime in Mexico.

    It's not like the CIA can't ship weapons across the border, folks. This is about creating the problem and offering the solution -Hegelian Dialect.
     
  13. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Not so sure that Hegel would approve of putting a nail in the hottie's tire just so you can change it for her in return for a quickie in the back seat. But your point is well taken. The whole exercise is either a deliberate baiting or a completely stupid exercise by stupid people. It just does NOT make any sense to me, none at all. A solution to a non-problem?
     
  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Yes, I am sure that this is another scheme. I wouldn't call it "elaborate", either. Much of what has been done is out in the open, in plain sight. I believe the general public is "stupid", and I do not buy into the lie which depicts our government being inadequate and irresponsible. This was the same excuse, if you recall, that was given for the 9-11 "attack", and also the primer for Homeland Security and many other fascist programs.

    We must not fall into the dangerous cycle of believing our government servants of being stupid and irrational. Only a complete fool would underestimate their enemy -and like it or not, believe it or not, you are their enemy.

    The elite laugh at the ignorant multitudes.
     
  15. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    A couple things from my read of the Constitution:
    The executive does the business of government as directed by the people via their representatives. No more, no less, and all within the bounds of the Constitution.
    The congress carries out the wishes of the electorate (that is, the people) making law that will conduct the business of the nation, not of the individual or the states. No more, no less.
    The judiciary mediates disputes over the constitutionality of the laws that the congress enacts. No more, no less.

    Or at least that is the way it's supposed to be. All that is required (and see the civics threads) is an intelligent and educated population willing to see the good and the evil of what they collectively think they want. And we all know what that deteriorated to over the last say 100 years. The system depends on honest and ethical behavior, both of the electorate and the electees. Sure --

    Congress has swelled to entirely too many folks, all wanting to have it their way. Supposedly, compromise rules the roost, and I'm sure it does. Scratch my back, I'll scratch yours (at the expense of the electorate if necessary.) We could almost wish for a benign oligarchy. At least I would if I thought there was half a chance of there being such a thing.

    Let the darts fly, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

    BTW, thanks for serving, come home safe and sound. [beer]

    Jeez, this one went off track. The Monkeys are good at that.

    "When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a [our] government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made not for the public good so much as for the selfish or local purposes; Corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the Laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a [our] government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the Laws."
    SOURCE: Noah Webster, History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie & Peck, 1832), pp. 336-337, ¦49.]
     
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