National License-Plate Tracking System

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Yard Dart, Feb 19, 2014.

  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    DHS plan for national license-plate tracking system raises privacy concerns | Fox News
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  2. 10brokenpromises

    10brokenpromises Monkey++

    Right...futitive illegal imigrants. Like ICE (or our current or last 3 administrations for that matter) give a damn about illegal ALIENS. Immigration is a legal process. If you don't go through the process, you didn't immigrate, you simply crossed the border and are living here as an illegal alien.
  3. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    The only ones who WANT to be surveiled, are already on YouTube!!
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  4. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    WILL A LEAD BOX SHIELD THESE RFID/GPS CHIPS FROM BEING READ FROM SATELITES? If so, I am more and more considering constructing same and carrying all my suspect ID and cell phone in it.
  5. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Right, because we know that someone who is in the country illegally will register the car in their name.
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Unlikely that lead will be any more effective than aluminum foil. These things are not radioactive. FWIW, rfid are very short range these days, but subject to more development for distance reading. gps is radiowave and will be effectively shielded by mylar or foil. Uv cuss, if you do that, you won't receive position info either; you might as well turn it off and take the battery out, or leave it home, or both.
  7. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus

    Specifically, the license plate scanner is a OCR software that pulls information from a camera. They don't use RFID for this specific piece of data collection. My question is...what type of camera is used and is there a way to subvert the information that the camera gets.

    For example, if you have a smart phone (I've seen this effect on a number of different phone screens) and you are wearing polarized sunglasses, you get a funky rainbow effect and in some cases you can't read the screen, which has nothing to do with sunlight glare.

    Would it be possible to, for example, spray a highly reflective film on the license plate that would cause the camera to see a bright box? Would it be possible to create a license plate cover (a mud cover to be sure) that is polarized horizontally on the "outside" and vertically on the "inside" so that the naked eye can read it just fine with no indication of anything "amiss" but a camera would get nothing?

    That's just a couple of things I was wondering about.

    Of course, this leads to a still being tracked by the bright spot where a license plate should be or the green AMC pacer that we just get a blur from...I mean really, how many green AMC Pacers are still on the road.

    If enough people participated though, it would make things more difficult.

    If only the cameras weren't there in the first place. I gotta think they aren't cheap and if enough of them quit working or disappear, I'm sure it would be cost prohibitive to replace them.
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  8. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    The cameras are really not that expensive for a LP reader...
    I like where you are going @DarkLight with the reflective film. Guess that will require some more searches to see if we can find any counter technology that may be developed or in the pipeline.
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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    What may be the ANSWER, here, is a Polarizing Film, (think suranwrap) that covers the LicensePlate. It allows the eye to read it but is BLACK to light that is NOT the same Polarization. The cameras used are usually the CarCams that most Departments are installing, by the DEMAND of the Citizens, to protect them from UnConstitutional Searches, and Encounters, with the LEOs. They just use the OCR App, running on the Vehicle Computers, to grab ALL the recognized Plates, and log them with a Time, Location, and DateStamp, which is then checked against the Want & Warrant List that was loaded, at First of Shift. Then at End of Shift, that Data is upLoaded to the Servers at HQ, and ADDED to the Database.

    There is NOTHING inherently sinister about GPS Receivers... They do NOT Transmit ANYTHING. They Just Receive the SAT DataStream, and calculate the Position of the GPS Antenna, PERIOD. That is ALL they do. Where the Issue comes in, is when the GPS Location Data, is Transmitted via either a Connected, or Integral, Comms Device, (Cell, WiFi, SAT, etc) to an outside entity. So if your CellPhone has a GPS Chip in it, or your Car Has a GPS/Cellular System (OnStar, etc) built-in, then you are vulnerable, to such Tracking, if you do NOT do something to disable the RF Emissions, it is Transmitting. iPhones can have the GPS chip, Powered Down, while still leaving the CellPhone, operational. OnStar can't be unplugged, or the vehicle will not RUN, but you CAN chop off the Comm Antenna at the Box, thereby disabling the RF leaving the Box. SECURE Phones have a built-in GPS Chip, but they do NOT Transmit the Data from it in DirecTalk Mode.
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  10. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

  11. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I have a feeling that on many levels they are already doing it and they like it so much they want more...
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  12. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I predict license plate thefts.
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  13. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I feel that is an understatement. They, the Power that Be, have been growing at an exponential rate and will stop at nothing to control everything and everyone in someway, shape or form.

    Their biggest deterrent, is the Constitution and they have been slowly chopping away at that so it's merely a speed bump instead of a blockade now. Next in line are those that support the constitution and will do all they can to make sure the PtB honor it.
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  14. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

  15. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus

    They keep using that word...cancel...I don't think they think it means what WE think it means.
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  16. Snake_Doctor

    Snake_Doctor Call me Snake...

    Gig brother at it'sfinest
  17. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    In my area, speed cameras, referred to locally as "revenue enhancement cameras", have been placed at certain points along the roads. These are supposed to detect when a driver is speeding and snap a photo of the driver and lic plate. Both the city and county have them, but the county recently cancelled (ref. - Darklight's comment) the contract with the company that is supporting them (no longer using them to issue citations) and the city is about to follow suit. To date the cameras still have not been physically removed - hmmm.

    Most around here look upon them with disdain. The citations are actually delivered by mail, which is in violation of a state law that says that a traffic complaint must be issued and delivered by a peace officer. But government entities seem to only be loosely bound by laws these days. Our federal government barely recognizes the presence of the Constitution.

    Some people have sandblasted their license plates leaving only the numbers painted. The rest of the plate is shiny aluminum which is supposed to cause an overexposed and presumably useless photo. I've never heard any confirmation as to whether or not this actually works but it's pretty simple, low tech.
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2014
  18. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    In californication, it is common practice to fight a camera ticket, by demanding to face your accuser in court (the camera) as is your Right. The ticket gets thrown out.
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  19. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I've heard of people discarding the tickets that they've received in the mail. There seemed to be little the state could do about it. This concept was brought about in a foreign country (Australia I think) where people may have no such rights.
  20. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Who puts their plate on anymore ?

    I threw mine in the seat holder inside the truck, I mean after all I bought and paid for it so its my property !
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