Need help: Heating issue

Discussion in 'Off Grid Living' started by sdr, Jan 5, 2018.


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  1. sdr

    sdr Monkey++

    I've played around with a fresnel lens years ago. Pretty amazing. It will vaporise a penny in nothing flat. Walk across a dry lawn and leave a flame trail behind you.
    From what I understand you don't gain anymore energy from them except what the total area of the lens equals.
    Meaning if the area of the lens is 9 square feet it would gather the same heat as a 9 foot square solar collector.
    The lens only condenses the total energy into a much smaller area.
    Would be interesting to test but tracking the sun would be a challenge.
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    A lens will collect all the incident light and focus it on something (maybe a pot of water or some other working fluid.) The conversion efficiency is the secret key to solar power. I'm not up to conversion efficiency with solar panels, but I don't think it's above 10%. Thermal efficiency of conversion using a working fluid is like a power plant, could be as high as 40 percent or so. As you say, tracking is tricky but it has been done, with problems, of course.
    Ivanpah Solar Power Facility - Wikipedia
     
  3. Merkun

    Merkun furious dreamer

    For a cheap entry into fresnel lenses, try a pack of these. Use to squint at the dates on coins, start fires, whatever comes interesting. I have one in the desk, one in the kitchen two in the camping supply box, one in the BOB and a couple spares. Just found them again on Amazon the other day.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Z88T25X/?tag=survivalmonke-20
     
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  4. hot diggity

    hot diggity Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++

    I've skimmed this thread and hadn't seen insulation mentioned. I've never been in a well insulated trailer. Sealing cracks and adding more insulation would reduce the heat loss and make the space more comfortable. Do keep in mind that a sealed space will require adequate ventilation if you burn anything to produce heat. (I imagine a snow cave here. So well insulated it can be heated by a single candle, with down slope air inlet and roof exhaust.)
     
  5. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    Don't overlook a humidifier. Keeping the humidity around 50% will reduce evaporative cooling of the skin and aids the respiratory system. Makes a big difference in the perceived warmth of a space.
     
  6. hot diggity

    hot diggity Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++

    I never thought about the perceived warmth on the skin, but there was always a kettle of water on the wood stove up home. The benefit I saw was it kept my nose from cracking inside in the dry winter air.

    No worries around here. It was 74 yesterday.
     
  7. sdr

    sdr Monkey++

    I should start looking for a big screen TV lens. Doesn't take up much room and is tremendously fun to play with.
    A few times during the winter I have fired up the furnace and spent some time in it. Doesn't do to bad. I have tried my best to seal it up pretty tight. For long term use a cover would be a must. I purchased a couple giant tarps years ago just because the price was right. Pretty sure both would cover it. Last year I made a trade and scored around 300 pounds of very thick, large, UV resistant plastic. Black on one side and white on the other. I believe the stuff is used to cover grain.

    Very good idea on the humidity.
     
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