Not that I can afford one right now, but that's not going to stop me from planning.... I would like a decent, rugged, somewhat accurate .223 I am thinking about the AR180B or even a Kel-Tec SU-16C. Any suggestions? I have read good things about both of these rifles...surprisingly, I have read a lot of very positive things about the Kel-Tec.
Dunno what to tell you, then. Mine is decently accurate (carbine) as rugged as they come possibly excepting the extractors, (a known weak point on ALL Stoner design clones so far as I know) and that has been addressed by Fulton. But it IS an AR, so it seems off your radar. No prob here.
Cousin Jack, take a look at the Daewoo DR 200. It's the standard rifle of the Korean Army, very reliable, and uses the AR mags. They took the best parts of the AR's and AK's and made a rifle out of them. Cheaper than an AR too. They also don't eat where they crap!
Well...price is a consideration...and the AR's are a little pricey. I know that the 180B is coming close to the AR15 in price range, but I like the gas piston set-up on the 180, as opposed to the AR15's system, so that is why I am leaning away from them.
What about the Ruger mini 14? I know they can be quite accurate and the 10/22 I know is a real fine and pretty rugged gun. I saw one at the local shop when I went to pick up my AK for like $325. Also they are easy to get parts and accessories for, so on a budget, in .223 I would at least take a serious look at them.
Happy with my Mini-14 too. They have some bad reps but I've not had any probs. What's your price range?
I have zero denero in the piggy right now. I just want to have a ".223 goal" in mind to plan for in the future. I do not want an AR15, but am open to just about anything else.