New ATF Rule on Suppressors: Why Buy Now

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Yard Dart, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator


    Earlier this year, ATF rule 41F was entered into the Federal Register, which significantly changes the transfer of items regulated by the National Firearms Act (NFA) and, perhaps most importantly, several things regarding suppressors.

    Rule 41F, which will take effect July 13, is determined to shake things up, but it’s not all bad news. In fact, one of the most significant changes to celebrate with the new rule is the removal of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) sign-off on NFA applications. Previously, applicants for NFA items (suppressors, short-barreled rifles, fully automatic firearms, etc.) were required to obtain a certification from a CLEO. This, many gun owners and advocates argued, allowed officials to arbitrarily deny Americans from owning NFA items.

    Now, the new rule only mandates applicants to notify CLEO’s instead.

    “For the first time in 82 years, local law enforcement will no longer have de facto veto power over any NFA applications,” said Knox Williams, President and Executive Director of the American Suppressor Association. “While their inclusion in the process made sense in 1934, before background checks, or even computers existed, the removal of this antiquated measure from the NFA process is a major victory for the suppressor and NFA communities.”

    Rule 41F is not all rainbows and cherries, however; it does include several frustrating changes that could impact you. For example, the ATF itself estimates that NFA wait times could double once the rule change goes into effect. This is due mostly to the rule change around fingerprinting for trusts and corporations. Yes, two fingerprint cards, as well as a passport photo of each person listed on a trust, are going to be required going forward after July 13, 2016 each time you want to purchase a NFA item under the Trust.

    You can still get around this slowdown if you buy a silencer under an NFA Trust before July 13, 2016. All pending applications submitted before the rule change will be grandfathered under current rules. So if you want to do it the easy way, I suggest you buy a $129 SilencerCo Easy Trust and begin the purchasing process now. The ATF processes thousands of suppressor orders under the SilencerCo Easy Trust monthly and, because of this, orders seem to process faster than those using larger/custom trust documents. Click here for the Easy Trust.

    Are trusts no longer relevant after July 13th? No, trusts are still advantageous for a number of legal reasons even after 41F goes into effect. They include:

  2. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    What? What did he say? I can't hear him.
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  3. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Mine isn't quite that bad, but the tinnitus sometimes gets out of control. Tested to hear at 20Khz as a kid, might be topping out at 8Khz now. No more music appreciation for me, it's all a drone. (Oh, wait!! That's all it is anyway --)
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2016
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  4. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    In Vietnam, as @Taku mentioned and years before.. ;) The heavy (arty and mortars) weapons types wet cigarette filters and plugged their ears. They had an advantage, they knew in advance they'd be firing; infantry types got fired on and fired back.
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  5. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    mech noise of an autoloading 5 inch naval gun mostly got my hearing. high frequency loss mostly, and if there is any kind of low frequency drone (white noise) in the vicinity it makes me deaf. I could have wore hearing protection, but the rhythm of the autoloading 40 rounds per minute spoke a language I was used to, and without hearing protecting I knew when there was a problem before the gun stopped loading. it gave me a jump on keeping it firing. it was my choice to absolutely excel at what I did.
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  6. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I do not listen to loud music, or do rock concerts, I use hearing protection on the job whenever needed, but I have a 8db Los at range three, on the right, and a 10db loss on the left at range three. I can hear movement inside a house, but women's voices and music needs to be a little louder for clarity.
    I have been tested, professionally, and they concluded I owe my loss to [AH] in traffic with stereos that shake my car. As far as I'm concerned, that is a personal assault.
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  7. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I've been in too many helicopters + working around loud noisy engines offshore.
    Don't own any boom sticks!
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  8. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    Helm in between a twin 50 forward and single 50 aft. 45 years of trucks,twisting wrenches,and racing. My wife accuses me of SELECTIVE hearing?
  9. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    That joke about the three guys who were out is me and my friends: "It sure is windy!" "No it's not, it's Thursday!" "Me too! Let's go have a beer!" Throw in a few "WHAT?!" every so often and you got it.
  10. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    Colorado seems to be "buying now" not only silencers but guns also-

    Colorado Gun Sales Increase 27 Percent In Early 2016
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  11. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Gun sales has been good here as well,
    You do realize that Obama as well as other democrats have investments in the fire arms industry .
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  12. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    Excellent reminder @Yard Dart. Like you said, now is the time for any folks that are interested. For me, a trust has been the best way to go even with the changes coming in effect. When I first got interested in NFA stuff I set up a corporation. The trust was set up through that and officers of the corp were the ones listed were allowed to have the items in their possession,but were "owned" by the corporation. It takes longer, but has certain advantages.
  13. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Well it seems this rule change was for the better.
    The loco law enforcement sign off seems to have been holding up a lot of people.
    Now the wait is pushing 8 or 9 months.
    The only people it hurt were those with a shady trust.
  14. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    The finger printing, photo and notification of CLEO is a royal pain. How about doing away with the whole of NFA. Something about "infringe" comes to mind.
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  15. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I think the only thing that should probably be on there are machine guns and explosive DD.
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I guess I have to wonder why the NFA still exists, and see no real need for anything to be on the "list." Yeah, I know the rationale behind it, a try at keeping the good stuff out of the hands of bad guys. But times have changed, any one that wants a prohibited/taxed/licensed item can get or make it off the books. The NFA can be retired; thus spake me and maybe me only.
  17. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Just think we don't want all the duka durkas let in by 0bama being able to buy RPG7 under 0 regulation.
    If I came to power the launcher it's self would be unregulated, go to any gun store and buy one like any other firearm, just the HE projectiles would be prohibited/registered.
    M203 and M230, same idea.
    Oh and do something to cut the 6 month+ wait down to 6 days or less.
    Probably removing silencers, short barrel rifles and shot guns, large bore DD and most AOWs would probably fix the currwnt wait time.
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