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new AWB... soon to be passed I'm sure

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by melbo, Dec 11, 2005.


  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I agree Quig. There are a lot of LEO and .mil that are there for the job, when SHTF, they will head home to watch their families.

    I do worry though that the small amount that fit the proper profiles for pulling any of this on US Civilians are prolly pulled to the side and put into other groups and given extra incentives to nurture this mindset.

    I hope I never see the day o_O
     
  2. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    ...and one of the lessons from Kartina was clearly that there are those in LEO positions amd mil that have no prob stripping citizens of their rights. Only have to have 2 or 3 of them to fly a bird over with puff on board and cut loose a bat fart that will put a round in every sq foot of a football field....so how many dose would it really take to put down farmers and office workers with hunting riffles?
     
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Smart man.
     
  4. martin97

    martin97 Fuel busted Trucker. Founding Member

    Dont bury your guns! our forefathers gave us the 2nd ammendment so that we could FIGHT to preserve this republic, God knows they fought and died to give those freedoms to us!
    Will we hide like cowards with our guns buried in some stinking hole!? if we do it will prove that we no longer deserve this great country, and that our forefathers fought and died for COWARDS!
    I think its time the American people rise up and kick this tyrannical government right in the ASS! and if you think "tyrannical" is a inaccurate description, read this..

    The methodology of tyranny.
    The methods used to overthrow a constitutional order and establish a tyranny are well-known. However, despite this awareness, it is surprising how those who have no intention of perpetrating a tyranny can slip into these methods and bring about a tyranny despite their best intentions. Tyranny does not have to be deliberate. Tyrants can fool themselves as thoroughly as they fool everyone else.

    Control of public information and opinion
    It begins with withholding information, and leads to putting out false or misleading information. A government can develop ministries of propaganda under many guises. They typically call it "public information" or "marketing".
    Vote fraud used to prevent the election of reformers
    It doesn't matter which of the two major party candidates are elected if no real reformer can get nominated, and when news services start knowing the outcomes of elections before it is possible for them to know, then the votes are not being honestly counted.
    Undue official influence on trials and juries
    Nonrandom selection of jury panels, exclusion of those opposed to the law, exclusion of the jury from hearing argument on the law, exclusion of private prosecutors from access to the grand jury, and prevention of parties and their counsels from making effective arguments or challenging the government.
    Usurpation of undelegated powers
    This is usually done with popular support for solving some problem, or to redistribute wealth to the advantage of the supporters of the dominant faction, but it soon leads to the deprivation of rights of minorities and individuals.
    Seeking a government monopoly on the capability and use of armed force
    The first signs are efforts to register or restrict the possession and use of firearms, initially under the guise of "protecting" the public, which, when it actually results in increased crime, provides a basis for further disarmament efforts affecting more people and more weapons.
    Militarization of law enforcement
    Declaring a "war on crime" that becomes a war on civil liberties. Preparation of military forces for internal policing duties.
    Infiltration and subversion of citizen groups that could be forces for reform
    Internal spying and surveillance is the beginning. A sign is false prosecutions of their leaders.
    Suppression of investigators and whistleblowers
    When people who try to uncover high level wrongdoing are threatened, that is a sign the system is not only riddled with corruption, but that the corruption has passed the threshold into active tyranny.
    Use of the law for competition suppression
    It begins with the dominant faction winning support by paying off their supporters and suppressing their supporters' competitors, but leads to public officials themselves engaging in illegal activities and using the law to suppress independent competitors. A good example of this is narcotics trafficking.
    Subversion of internal checks and balances
    This involves the appointment to key positions of persons who can be controlled by their sponsors, and who are then induced to do illegal things. The worst way in which this occurs is in the appointment of judges that will go along with unconstitutional acts by the other branches.
    Creation of a class of officials who are above the law
    This is indicated by dismissal of charges for wrongdoing against persons who are "following orders".
    Increasing dependency of the people on government
    The classic approach to domination of the people is to first take everything they have away from them, then make them compliant with the demands of the rulers to get anything back again.
    Increasing public ignorance of their civic duties and reluctance to perform them
    When the people avoid doing things like voting and serving in militias and juries, tyranny is not far behind.
    Use of staged events to produce popular support
    Acts of terrorism, blamed on political opponents, followed immediately with well-prepared proposals for increased powers and budgets for suppressive agencies. Sometimes called a Reichstag plot.
    Conversion of rights into privileges
    Requiring licenses and permits for doing things that the government does not have the delegated power to restrict, except by due process in which the burden of proof is on the petitioner.
    Political correctness
    Many if not most people are susceptible to being recruited to engage in repressive actions against disfavored views or behaviors, and led to pave the way for the dominance of tyrannical government.

    And to address the problem...
    Avoiding tyranny

    The key is always to detect tendencies toward tyranny and suppress them before they go too far or become too firmly established. The people must never acquiesce in any violation of the Constitution. Failure to take corrective action early will only mean that more severe measures will have to be taken later, perhaps with the loss of life and the disruption of the society in ways from which recovery may take centuries.

    Pretty simple solution, will we wait until its to late...
     
  5. martin97

    martin97 Fuel busted Trucker. Founding Member

    I wanted to post this for all the "gun hiders" out there. this is how the nazi's handled gun owners, do you honestly believe you will be treated any better? please pay special attention to lines 1 and 2, good chance that if you choose not to fight when they first come, you will never have that chance again.

    "After invading, Nazis used pre-war lists of gun owners to confiscate firearms and many gun owners simply disappeared. Following confiscation, the Nazis were free to wreak their evil on the disarmed populace, such as on these helpless Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto."
    "The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been 'disarmed' with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment."2

    On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolph Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: "All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . The Führer wishes that the police does not intervene. All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately."3

    All hell broke loose on Nov. 10: "Nazis Smash, Loot and Burn Jewish Shops and Temples," a headline read. "One of the first legal measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler, commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter."4 Thousands of Jews were taken away.
    #1
    Searches of Jewish homes were calculated to seize firearms and assets and to arrest adult males. The American Consulate in Stuttgart was flooded with Jews begging for visas: "Men in whose homes old, rusty revolvers had been found during the last few days cried aloud that they did not dare ever again return to their places of residence or business. In fact, it was a mass of seething, panic-stricken humanity."5

    Himmler, head of the Nazi terror police, would become an architect of the Holocaust, which consumed 6 million Jews. It was self-evident that the Jews must be disarmed before the extermination could begin.
    #2
    Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.

    Other European countries also had laws requiring police records to be kept on persons who possessed firearms. When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with political opponents.
     
  6. martin97

    martin97 Fuel busted Trucker. Founding Member

    Total Gun Confiscation of Law Abiding Citizens Begins
    Federal forces lead criminal gangs of police in America-killing gun grab

    Alex Jones/Infowars.com | September 9 2005

    “The balloon has gone up, the shoe has dropped. Anyone doubting the criminal intentions of the social engineer control-freaks in Washington need only look at middle-class neighborhoods being stormed by black-masked wearing jackboots on a mission to steal guns.

    This is a precedent setting case for national gun confiscation. This is a clear declaration of war by the Federal Government against the American people. This is exactly how Lexington and Concord started the Revolutionary War in 1775.”

    – Alex Jones

    The federal government has been chomping at the bit for decades to disarm the American people, and now an amalgamation of state and local police led by the BATF are having their deepest desire fulfilled in New Orleans.

    Major newspapers are reporting that in middle-class neighborhoods undamaged by floodwaters paramilitary police are going door-to-door demanding citizens’ firearms.

    The New York Times even admitted that this is so the citizenry cannot resist when they are physically forced to leave their homes.

    Most of the residents are contentious nurses and power plant employees who are currently working in key areas of infrastructure. Others refuse to leave because early on they were told they would have to break up their families to do so. Still more refuse to leave and give up beloved family pets.

    Hold outs, many of whom have a year’s supply of food and water filters, tell the police, “We’re the people who stopped the looters when you guys were nowhere to be seen in the first six days.”

    So the Federal Government does a horrible job delivering food and water to people they told to go to the Superdome, and now, almost two weeks later, they say the city is under their control. Their main mission: going door-to-door and confiscating American citizens’ lawfully owned firearms. This is treason. This is sedition against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and our way of life.

    I have been to over 10 urban warfare training drills where the military and the police work together. The national news always reports that it’s disaster relief training, when the truth is that they greedily train to subdue peaceful populations, disarm them and break up families.

    Remember back in 1993, when Bill Clinton announced weapon sweeps of public housing without warrants? They did it to the disadvantaged then, and most people didn’t care. Now, they are doing it to the middle-class in plain view of the world.

    They’re setting a precedent to take your property, to take your children, to take your guns. The courts have ruled over and over again that the police have no obligation to protect the public. At the same time, police have been trained that there really isn’t a Second Amendment and that Americans really don’t have a right to protect themselves.

    This unfolding gun confiscation tragedy stands as a monument to the true intentions of this parasitic government. It wants you disarmed and under heel. It wants slaves – subjects, not citizens.

    The law-abiding gun owning citizens of New Orleans are having their life line severed and the American people are witnessing a giant gun confiscation drill.

    There should be a howling, screaming the likes of which has never been heard against the Bush administration that is in control of New Orleans. If we let them legitimize gun confiscation for security, they are going to use this all over the country.

    Lord Bush is already licking his lips and talking about making Gonzalez, a person who is adamantly anti-gun, his pick to succeed Rehnquist.

    All Americans can now count on this: when you're in trouble or when you're in crisis, the "authorities" aren't going to come with aid. They're going to send a squad of goons to take advantage of the situation, take your guns and drag you off to a FEMA camp. This is what we pay taxes for.
     
  7. ChemicalGal

    ChemicalGal Monkey+++

    Gun Confiscation

    Martin, you are absolutely correct and I had plans to hide my guns, but I think I agree with you, the only answer is to shoot first and take a few of them with you, you're going down anyway.

    The only thing I hate about that is you'll be on the 6 o'clock news as someone barracaded in your house with hostages or something to make you wrong, and who will know the difference. I almost wish there was someway we could let others know what was really happening and they could get the word out...at least then you don't die in vain. And others can disappear & maybe do some good like the insurgents in Iraq.

    The problem even with getting the word out is that most people will still believe the 6 o'clock news.
    ChemicalGal
     
  8. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I couldn't afford guns to bury even if I wanted to, and use the ones I have to often to even consider burying any of them. Constantly having to shoot predators around the chicken house or critters to butcher.
     
  9. ChemicalGal

    ChemicalGal Monkey+++

    Gun Burial

    Off subject here... sorry
    MM on the chicken house & Preditors. I was thinking about putting a dog house in the fenced area. When the chickens are in house for night, would put the dog in the pen. And let him out in the morning, b4 I let out the chickens. Thought would deter preditors from wanting to come in to the pen.
    What are your thoughts or others, feel free to jump in here.
    Chemical Gal
     
  10. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    If youre going to mess with all of that just go ahead and get a few geese or even turkeys to put in the pen with them. Have a neighbor who kept about 5 or 6 geese in with the chickens and came out more than one morning I guess to find a coyote or some other predator iether dead or cowering in a corner with the geese guarding it. Other than that would be to have a fence for the farm yard in general that would suround the chicken yard as well so the dog could guard the perimiter, if you have him in the chicken yard you have to worry about the dog getting after the chickens if he gets in or they get out and he's more likely to sleep thropugh a predator getting in than the geese. If you really wanted to go all out get an emue (sp? ,slightly smaller than osterache) and put 1 or 2 of them in there, just be sure to stay on their good side and or carry a big stick, they can kill you if they kick you and seriously hurt you by pecking, but wouldnt give a coyote or coon or anything much chance against them.
     
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