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New Bill passed on Christmas: Intelligence Authorization Act 2017

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by GhostX, Dec 29, 2016.

  1. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Uh, should we be worried?

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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

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  3. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    I was trying to look it up but I can't make heads or tails of this.

  4. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    It isn't the act, it is so open ended, that it could be like the Patriot act, only it could be used to justify almost complete control of the internet and the mass media by the ability to classify things as propaganda or untrue. Its a field of dreams for the statest, build it and they will come, and we as individuals will have to try to prove their actions wrong in their courts and under their justice system. Good luck with that. Never trust a law that is signed on a Friday and this was just before Christmas and attached to the military budget bill. Nothing to see here, move along, keep your mouth shut, and your eyes closed.
  5. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus Site Supporter

    Interesting that a media outlet would make things up about the bill...that says they can no longer make things up.

    Read the actual bill, not just the snippet you wrote in post 3.

    For example, the only time the word media is used in the entire bill is as a definition (page 47) regarding what it is believed the Russian Federation did to manipulate our media. No mention of propaganda, but mention of undue influence by a foreign government (not sure I have a problem with outlawing that in general but yes, it could be used to nefarious ends as well).

    From the large portions I've read, it gives the intelligence community the funding and "permission" to actively investigate and counter, at the very least, the Russians (among other things).

    I won't say nothing to see here, but CHECK YOUR SOURCES before you post stuff because all you are doing is stirring up stuff. If you don't understand it, PM someone (for example) rather than dropping a turd in the punchbowl.
  6. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    They employ rooms of people to make sure Americans can't understand bills/orders they pass.
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  7. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

  8. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    "among other things..."
    Such as the CIA using their own counter-intel in MSM....
    Coarse they've been doing it anyway for decades...but now it's legal.
    We're ahead of 'murica in this...that's how you can tell it's part of the Globalist agenda.

    5 things that change now C-51, the anti-terrorism bill, is law

    1. Promoting terrorism: a jail offence
    Under C-51, encouraging or promoting others to carry out terrorist acts becomes its own criminal offence under the Criminal Code. Individuals can be found guilty regardless of whether the terrorist act they are promoting is carried out. According to the bill, it could land someone up to five years in prison.

    There's concern at how much this new offence could impact the right to free speech. The bill is targeted at people who encourage or promote "the commission of terrorism offences in general." Opponents argue this definition is neither defined nor clear, leading to differing interpretations and wrongful use of the law.

    2. Crackdown on terrorist propaganda
    3. More arrests without warrant
    4. More personal information shared between departments
    5. CSIS can now disrupt terror plots

    Perhaps the biggest change is the newly-defined role of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

    As C-51 becomes law, CSIS gets more power to disrupt suspected terrorist plots, rather than just collecting information about them. If they have reasonable grounds to think a security threat exists, CSIS can now interfere with the travel plans and bank transactions of suspected terrorists. CSIS also has the power to disrupt radical websites and Twitter accounts.

    Opponents are upset with the increased power for several reasons.

    CSIS was created with the mandate of gathering intelligence. Now that C-51 is law, it reaches beyond that.

    CSIS also has the ability to ask judges for approval in cases where their measures would breach rights or freedoms otherwise protected by the law.

    Critics worry that CSIS lacks sufficient oversight to ensure these new powers are not abused.
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  9. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    That's pretty damn scary man. Do you think these are the finally days of America as we know it? Do you think 2017 will be the year we all watch the essence of America finally slip away into tyranny?
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  10. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    That depends on you and I.
    I'm not in 'murica....but if freedom and prosperity return....heck i may even consider moving.
    2017 will be the return of the alpha male....i personally think this is what is required to 'save" the west.
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  11. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Well, I'm beginning to think that this and the transfer of the internet to ICANN are connected. It seems like the .gov has been busy setting up their chess pieces in ways that are designed to censor free speech on an international level. If they can target independent media, they can just as easily target bloggers or posters on a forum like this one who are sharing things they don't approve of.

    You're right, something like this most certainly can be abused.
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  12. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    OFC it is....
    OFC I got called a "conspiracy theorist" for saying so....
    Why do you think Obama is picking a fight with the Jews and trying to shuffle power to the UN instead of backing up the US multi-DECADE stance on Palestine?
    Israel-Palestinians: Netanyahu condemns John Kerry speech - BBC News
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  13. natshare

    natshare Monkey+++

    Hell, if nothing else, satire is protected free speech. So all you really need to do is make it sound outlandish enough, that you can stand in front of a judge, call it satire, and get off. Then sue the hell out of the government, for violation of your civil rights!
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