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New SCOTUS Gun Case Protects Helpless Women

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  1. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Caetano v. Massachusetts
    New Supreme Court Gun Case
    Protects Helpless Women

    Massachusetts Effort to Victimize Abused Lady Reversed

    Court Says Second Amendment Saved Caetano’s Life,
    that’s it’s purpose

    Restraining orders are “useless,” they say

    Attempt to Outlaw Stun Guns Because They’re New Is Bogus

    Of Course Guns Are Dangerous, That’s Not Grounds For Ban

    Where is the “news” media on this monumental decision?

    [Note: "SCOTUS" is the Supreme Court Of The United States.
    “Heller” refers to the D.C. v. Heller case, a defining case in U.S. firearms law.]

    by Alan Korwin
    The Uninvited Ombudsman (GunLaws.com)
    April 20, 2016

    The Caetano Supreme Court gun decision had so many critically important features it is unfathomable it did not steal the entire news cycle when it hit on March 21, 2016. A mere shooting by a sick person in a small town does that.

    The U.S. Supreme Court just handed down such a monumental Second Amendment decision—its 113th gun case—that if the mainstream media had been doing its job it would have dominated the front page for days, and devoured cable news chatter for 24 hours daily, worse than the jihad or any other minor preemption that consumes news.

    The decision recognized that brutish boyfriends terrorize their women and the women can be helpless based on size and strength—except for protection the Second Amendment and weapons provide. Read that again. All eight Justices unanimously said this. They formally recognized that orders or protection, issued repeatedly against the same brute, are, in their words “futile.”

    But you haven’t even heard about the Caetano v. Massachusetts case.

    It basically confirms that guns are good. They protect the helpless. They have social utility. Lower courts that attempt to write this out of the law by making things up, ignoring history and legal precedent—like the Massachusetts court did—have no place in our legal system. Concocting inventions from thin air that don’t even make sense, to advance an anti-rights agenda, earned ridicule. Read the decision yourself, it’s in basic English.

    Even the liberal SCOTUS Justices all joined the decision. This is news. It’s big news. It’s monufrickinmental. Where are the talking heads? The fact that it has been broadly suppressed by the very organization responsible for telling you—The United States journalism profession acting in concert—demonstrates the astonishing bias that infects the nation’s culture and “news” media. This is proof.

    If news like this proliferated as it should, you and the nation would be bombarded constantly with the good side of guns, the side that keeps streets safe, the idea that people who are armed can protect themselves, and do all the time just like Jaime Caetano did. It’s the plan the Founders gave us, that has made this the greatest nation the world has ever known. The failure of reporters, producers, editors, news directors and publishers is unaccountably grave. Look at what this case contains.

    Jaime’s story

    Ms. Caetano’s boyfriend beat her up so severely (the lower court called it a “bad altercation”) she was hospitalized. This was after she got multiple restraining orders against the thug, which the Supreme Court called “futile.” When a friend offered her a stun gun for self defense against the brute, she took it. “It’s a good thing she did,” the Supreme Court’s finding reads.

    That’s because, as the Court tells us, one night when she was leaving work, her ex-boyfriend was laying in wait for her, came out and, screaming, threated her. He was nearly a foot taller and 100 pounds heaver than she. You’ve gotta read this case, it’s amazing. Here, read this extract:

    But she didn’t need physical strength to protect herself. She stood her ground, displayed the stun gun, and announced: “I’m not gonna take this anymore... I don’t wanna have to use the stun gun on you, but if you don’t leave me alone, I’m gonna have to.” The gambit worked. The ex-boyfriend “got scared and he left her alone.”
    You don’t think it’s news that our U.S. Supreme Court made this public? Put it in their unanimous decision?

    Next the Court points out that, “It is settled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms” and that this right vindicates the “basic right” of “individual self-defense.” Leftists and hoplophobes (people with morbid fear of guns) can make their bogus arguments, but there’s the truth.

    The High Court stated: “By arming herself, Caetano was able to protect against a physical threat that restraining orders had proved useless to prevent.” It’s front page news: “Flash! SCOTUS announces: Guns beat orders of protection! Read all about it!” Instead? Crickets.

    [Editor: 700 words to here.] [End of Part I]

    Supreme Court Protects Armed Women
    Caetano Case Overlooked by Media

    Part II

    by Alan Korwin
    The Uninvited Ombudsman (GunLaws.com)

    In Part I, we saw how the U.S. Supreme Court reversed a Massachusetts decision holding a women guilty for defending herself against a brutal boyfriend, after orders of protection proved "useless."

    Unspeakable Legal Abuse

    Under Massachusetts law however, even though Jaime may have saved her life, her possession of the stun device was illegal, so when police found it later she (not the guy) was arrested, tried and convicted.

    To make it stick, the local courts bent over backwards, inventing the argument that, because stun guns didn’t exist in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified, it wasn’t “eligible for Second Amendment protection.” They had unwritten what the Supreme Court had written. She was imprisoned.

    The Supreme Court had to take this case to prevent inferior courts from removing the scrotum from SCOTUS. That's partially why it’s unanimous—the lower court was thumbing its nose at the system. (You can almost hear the liberal Justice's bemoaning, ‘Why’d it have to be guns?’)

    vulnerable individuals like Caetano
    who must defend themselves
    because the State will not.

    “This reasoning defies our decision in Heller, which rejected as ‘bordering on the frivolous,’ the argument ‘that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment.’ The decision below also does a grave disservice to vulnerable individuals like Caetano who must defend themselves because the State will not,” Justice Alito wrote, slapping them in his concurrence.

    Years of history between this woman and her abusive partner are outlined in the 12-page decision. In typical elitist fashion, while state law denies non-lethal stun guns to the public, it grants them to the king’s men, also called officials and peace officers.

    Massachusetts argued further that Caetano must be guilty because stun guns fall within the “traditional prohibition against carrying dangerous and unusual weapons.” But, as SCOTUS notes, “Although the Supreme Judicial Court [of Mass.] professed to apply Heller, each step of its analysis defied Heller’s reasoning.” There was no limit to that lower court’s hubris—Heller emphatically rejected accepting only arms in existence in the 18th century: “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.” Massachusetts just ignored the rule of law, and cited an unrelated case.

    SCOTUS emphasized that “the Second Amendment accordingly guarantees the right to carry weapons ‘typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes,’” and that this “is true for the weapons most commonly used today for self-defense, namely, revolvers and semiautomatic pistols.” Front page news. "SCOTUS Declares: Top Self-Defense Weapons Are Revolvers And Semi-Autos!" More crickets.

    Electronic stun guns are no more exempt from the Second Amendment’s protections, simply because they were unknown to the First Congress, than electronic communications are exempt from the First Amendment, or electronic imaging devices are exempt from the Fourth Amendment.
    When Massachusetts tried to justify its assault on the right to bear stun guns, using a “dangerous and unusual” ploy, the High Court saw right though it and would have none of that either. First, as they point out, it is a conjunctive test, both conditions must apply, and the state’s effort to apply them separately had to fail. But more to the point, as Alito writes, “If Heller tells us anything, it is that firearms cannot be categorically prohibited just because they are dangerous.” The case notes that “virtually every covered arm would qualify as ‘dangerous.’” So you can see what that lower court was trying to do—outlaw everything—and why the Supreme Court had to step in and slap some sense into them.

    Piling it on, the Massachusetts court also tried to ban stun guns saying they had no usefulness in warfare. The Supreme Court dissolved that by listing all the militia uses the devices have in suppressing insurrections and riots (a constitutional function, they note) and listing branches of the armed services that have requisitions and training for stun weapons to “incapacitate a target without permanent injury or known side effects” (with fascinating reading at the many links they provide).

    The lower court’s argument that guns outnumber stun weapons is brushed aside as pointless drivel, and besides, “Otherwise, a State would be free to ban all weapons except handguns, because “handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home... While less popular than handguns, stun guns are widely owned and accepted as a legitimate means of self-defense across the country. Massachusetts’ categorical ban of such weapons therefore violates the Second Amendment.”

    “The reasoning of the Massachusetts court
    poses a grave threat to the
    fundamental right of self-defense.”

    The conclusion is too good to paraphrase (citations omitted):

    The Supreme Judicial Court suggested that Caetano could have simply gotten a firearm to defend herself. But the right to bear other weapons is “no answer” to a ban on the possession of protected arms. Moreover, a weapon is an effective means of self-defense only if one is prepared to use it, and it is presumptuous to tell Caetano she should have been ready to shoot the father of her two young children if she wanted to protect herself.
    Courts should not be in the business of demanding that citizens use more force for self-defense than they are comfortable wielding.
    Countless people may have reservations about using deadly force, whether for moral, religious, or emotional reasons—or simply out of fear of killing the wrong person. I am not prepared to say that a State may force an individual to choose between exercising that right and following her conscience, at least where both can be accommodated by a weapon already in widespread use across the Nation.
    A State’s most basic responsibility is to keep its people safe. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts was either unable or unwilling to do what was necessary to protect Jaime Caetano, so she was forced to protect herself.
    To make matters worse, the Commonwealth chose to deploy its prosecutorial resources to prosecute and convict her of a criminal offense for arming herself with a nonlethal weapon that may well have saved her life. The Supreme Judicial Court then affirmed her conviction on the flimsiest of grounds.
    This Court’s grudging per curiam now sends the case back to that same court. And the consequences for Caetano may prove more tragic still, as her conviction likely bars her from ever bearing arms for self-defense.
    If the fundamental right of self-defense does not protect Caetano, then the safety of all Americans is left to the mercy of state authorities who may be more concerned about disarming the people than about keeping them safe.

    If it's about guns and it's in the "news," it's probably 100% wrong. Unless it's not there at all.

  2. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Monkey

    Still good news ....
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Why the hell did they send it back to the SJC? That makes no sense at all.
  4. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Still a BIG WIN, for the 2nd Amendment... Especially when it was 6/Zip..... Many State Statutes are likely to fall in Federal District, and Appeals, Courts because of this Precident.... Mark my words here, this ism as big, if not BIGGER, than Heller & MacDonald combined.... I can foresee women, challenging State waiting periods, if they have a Restraining Order issued to themselves... I can foresee many State Knife Carry Statutes, being overturned, because of this Precedent... This is going to be HUGH....

    Sure it does Ghrit.... They just Spanked those liberal Yahoos good, and NOW, they demand that the State Courts fix it, as punishment for writing Stupid Decissions... If they didn't make them fix it PUBLICALLY, IT WOULDN't have the same impact, their Message was ment to send....
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2016
  5. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    That's just absurd. Think of all the poor criminals that could get hurt. We must be aware of their feelings or we would be criminalphobic and that's not PC.
  6. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey++

    /sarc off
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  7. duane

    duane Monkey++

    The court said that you have the right to protect yourself using the tool that you select. That should have been at least mentioned on the 6 o-clock news, no that would cut into the latest 24 hour cycle on the death of "insert name here" celebrity. None are as blind as those who do not wish to see, and our children are being taught to not see a lot of things. First time in quite a while that the court has stood up and said enough is enough. Of course the liberal view is that we have to change the court into something that will support their agenda and not the Constitution.
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  8. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

  9. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    I'm so happy this was a unanimous decision. We will hear more about this as the precedent it sets begins to be applies all over the land.
  10. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    Crazy world. If you shoot them with a firearm, you are wrong. Hit them with electricity, you are wrong. Some nutcases aren't satisfied by anything other than surrender to criminals. The defense of self is of utmost importance. Any knucklehead that believes otherwise should be jailed for stupidity. That's a law I could get behind. Be stupid, go to jail.
  11. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey++

    And, their judgment on the case was handed down a full month ago and still not a word in the media! I saw nothing in the newspapers either. Unbelievable!
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  12. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    I don't understand why you gentlemen are so upset about lack of coverage. There is some but I'm ok if mainstream media doesn't pick it up.

    The purpose of media now days is to try to 'form our opinions for us'. Media's purpose of course, should be to inform but we are way past that now.

    Again I'm ok if mainstream media doesn't pick this up... Something in the favor of the 2nd amendment needs to be quiet, until we need it.
  13. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    All the same, it's strangely short on publication. Both the NRA and GOA would be (normally) trumpeting from the rooftops. Why they aren't is beyond me.
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  14. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    They did, @ghrit It was on Drudge for two days, and elsewhere in the Conservative Media... and there was a 20 Second blurb on NBC National Nightly News with Lester Holt...
  15. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    @ghrit a very good point about NRA and GOA

    apparently NRA isnt that thrilled with it
    NRA-ILA | High Court Opinion Hardly the “Stunning” Reaffirmation of Heller Some Portray It to Be

    Finally, Justice Ginsburg, the leading liberal voice on the court, publicly cited Heller as in league with Dred Scott, one of the most notorious cases in American law in its disregard for the humanity or citizenship of African American slaves and their descendants.

    Whatever dynamics underlie the surprise decision in Caetano, it offers no reassurance that Heller would survive if a fifth justice joins the Supreme Court’s liberal wing. And even if they allowed it to stand in theory, they would certainly not attempt to enforce it against the defiance of lower courts. As recent history has shown, even narrowly limiting Heller to its facts allows gun control advocates to pursue their prohibitionist agenda through a variety of persecutory and oppressive means.

    Second Amendment advocates should stay vigilant and not be lulled into a false sense of security by Caetano. Despite its willingness to consider stun guns as an “arm” under the Second Amendment, the Supreme Court’s recent posture regarding Second Amendment cases is cause for great concern. Unless Justice Scalia is replaced by someone who shares his philosophy and worldview when it comes to our right to keep and bear arms, we may not have that right much longer.
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  16. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    That is why congress needs to block any Supreme Court appointment until we get a new president that is hopefully anyone but Hillary or Bernie.
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I remain appalled at the headline. There is NO law, nor paper, nor ruling that will protect any person, male, female, or something less well defined. All a law can do is make the penalty for violation clear. What this interpretation does is tell the MA SJC that they have wrongly interpreted 2A, and especially in regards to SCOTUS rules in Heller. In effect, SCOTUS slapped the SJC silly for poor reading of 2A and the previous decisions. Until the SJC collects its wits and revises its decision, Caetano and anyone else can indeed arm themselves as they think fit for protecting themselves. An unsigned directive to the lower court does nothing for precedent, more's the pity.

    Unanimous. Great. All that means is that both leanings, left and right, agree that the SJC got it wrong. Heh, well they did, but which way they got it wrong is in the eye of the justices, and well enough they could be looking at it from opposite corners. And stewing it over, I now see why they sent it back. Nervous nellies don't want to make the decision.
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