No, We Didn't Need to Nuke Japan

Thank you, Brokor.
I have great respect for the Japanese. To their credit, just compare Hiroshima and Detroit in 1945 and today. Detroit didn't even need a nuclear bomb to be destroyed.

 

the beautiful Detroit most folks see is in like a 10 block area around the waterfront and greektown. Move out 4-5 blocks .. whole different story. It looks like it was a warzone in the not too distant past.

 

“the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”
-General Eisenhower

"The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender."
-Admiral Leahy, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

The military was mostly opposed to an invasion of Japan as well.
https://www.history.navy.mil/about-...ectors-corner/h-grams/h-gram-057/h-057-1.html
"Leahy, King, and Arnold opposed an invasion, but concurred that planning needed to go forward. However, Truman sided with Marshall that an invasion was necessary, at least the first phase to take Kyushu."

Of course invasion plans existed (contingency plans exist for many possible scenarios),
but that does not mean that they would be carried out.

Dropping the atom bombs was a decision made for political reasons, possibly simply to end the war as quickly as possible,
but also certainly for leverage with the Soviets and to test the device on a population.

Japan was already negotiating surrender and would have been unable to fight the Soviets as well.

The Chicago Tribune (an anti-FDR paper) reported, "Bare Peace US Bid Rebuffed 7 Months Ago",
with Japan keeping Emperor Hirohito, something that happened anyway.
Bare Peace Bid U.S. Rebuffed 7 Months Ago - Ronald D. Ray Library of American History
Hoover says something similar in his posthumous memoir Freedom Betrayed,
and source materials are apparently kept at the Hoover Presidential Library.
(3 days before Pearl Harbor, the Chicago Tribune correctly reported/leaked FDR's plans to provoke a war with Japan and Germany, Rainbow 5, "FDR's War Plans")
F. D. R.'S WAR PLANS!

 

VDH is one of the most intelligent and articulate speakers in the united states.

VDH: Disinformation & The Dropping Of The Atomic Bombs | ZeroHedge

 

FYI I'm anti war... I've seen it first hand... 68Tet... old but still willing to fight if required...

that said... IMHO if the allies invaded Japan there would no longer be a Japan or a people called Japanese...

women and children were told by their god the emperor to fight and given bamboo spears n what not...

think about it many Japanese literally threw themselves off cliff into the sea at one island we took because they were told we would do terrible things to them...

also think about it... they believed the greatest thing they could do was die for their god...

so here you or me or anyone for that matter in a platoon or company see a women or child ram a bamboo spear in the guts or where ever of one of ours...

maybe even a close buddy... maybe we see it several times... even though we have people telling them if they surrender they will not be mistreated...

how long will that go on before troops start shooting everyone on sight thinking self defense??? and they keep coming and attacking...

how things are now is NOT how things were then!!!

so IMHO those bombs may have SAVED Japan???

as to my other statements... I understand psych warfare... I also looked at your starting statement...

it did not SEEM to allow for any difference of opinion!

bringing the subject up in the fashion that was used SEEMS like it is aimed at guilt trip and antiselfdefense...

read it and replied to it the way I see it... we disagree...

I don't know you I can only go but what you have shown... and respond... I did so...

best wishes...

 

There's no guilt trip because we are not responsible for whatever our ancestors did.

So there is surely nothing wrong with merely remembering the excesses of the past, especially on a solemn anniversary.

Or at least considering the possibility that other options were (and will be) available.
For the sake of full knowledge and the future.

Like remembering what Sherman did to Georgia, or the postwar occupation of the former Confederacy,
or that millions of freed slaves starved to death, should not make one pro-slavery or pro-Confederate.

The title is merely the title of the youtube video, made to capture your attention on the anniversary of the atom bombs,
there is no "agenda" behind it

"tRuMp iS liTeRaLlY hItLeR" would be pushing an agenda though

 

Oh REALLY?

been watching guilt trips for years... reparations for slaves... is one among some of those...

seen the replies too... like... I never owned any slaves and you never picked cotton... etc...

not an issue for me if some can't see it... we have different opinions on such... best wishes...

 

If you feel guilty about anything your ancestors did feel free to make restitution with your own money to relieve your guilty. I have no guilt about anything my ancestors may or may not have done.

 

To the victor, the spoils.

 

It used to be said that history is written by the victors. But today, history is ignored, revised and rewritten by the liberal appologists.

 

I can agree with that.

 

When I visited Hiroshima, a local asked me to sign a 'petition' to ban nuke weapons oh. and BTW - give reparations to the grandchildren of the folks who died from the atomic blast.

I told him to FO, that I loved atomic bombs, the bigger the better. At his shocked looked, I asked - why hasn't there been a WWIII - atomic weapons would make it too costly for all but the completely insane (or a carzy muzzie)
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My dad would often muter on this date that "two wasn't enough"
Seems he still took Umbridge with the Japs constantly bombing his well marked field hospital. It wasn't until the late 1980s he mellowed at all.

 

I had an E6 (ET1) at my last duty station who visited Pearl Harbor, and said a Japanese tourist asked him where the USS Arizona memorial was. He answered "Right where you left it in 1941!" He had no love for the Japanese.

 

Maybe if the Nimitz had actually gone back to 1941 and stopped the Pearl Harbor attack, none of this would have happened.