North Korea Calls Hawaii and U.S. Mainland Targets

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Quigley_Sharps, Mar 26, 2013.


  1. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

    I suspect Iran (or other PTB) is paying them off to be provocative for whatever reason. Iran's obvious reason is to distract from their nuclear program. Note the general lack of media play Iran is getting in the past month while the NK straw boogieman is being erected. International bankers could be orchestrating it to continue to support Iran, Obummer (or his puppet masters) could be doing it to distract from our economy. I suspect these theatrics are directed at the USA because it gets no play in the European, Canadian, or any other media I can see. Simple misdirection.

    Did anyone else notice the last nuke test NK did was with a uranium bomb, when their arsenal is based on plutonium bombs? I suspect there was a lot of comments and notes in Farsi in by observers to that test (specifically, Iranian scientists and military reps). EDIT: Of course the Iranians are working on a uranium bomb. They are using NK as their testing ground.

    There is simply no intrinsic reason for NK to saber rattle like this. They could be playing for aid money. Like I said, I suspect somebody is putting them up to it.

    EDIT: I no longer suspect this is a prelude to a shooting conflict with NK because the media coverage is not international, therefore no international coalition is being pushed. Obummer would not unilaterally start another conflict without an international mandate, even if it was contrived.
     
  2. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

  3. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    kim-jong-un-boat_2506851k.

    Now there's a boat I'd like to see sink in deep water.
     
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  4. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Where's a Great White when you need one???o_O
     
  5. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    He is in the boat...waiving.
     
  6. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    US sends nuclear-capable B-2 bombers to SKorea

    Associated Press – 2 hrs 13 mins ago

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      Associated Press/Lee Jung-hun, Yonhap - U.S. Air Force B-2 stealth bomber, left, flies over near Osan U.S. Air Base in Pyeongtaek, south of Seoul, South Korea, Thursday, March 28, 2013. A day after shutting …more
    SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — The U.S military says two nuclear-capable B-2 bombers have completed a training mission in South Korea amid threats from North Korea that include nuclear strikes on Washington and Seoul.
    The statement Thursday by U.S. Forces Korea is an unusual confirmation. It follows an earlier U.S. announcement that nuclear-capable B-52 bombers participated in ongoing U.S.-South Koreanmilitary drills.
    The U.S. says the B-2 stealth bombers flew from a U.S. air base and dropped munitions on a South Korean island range before returning home.
    The announcement will likely draw a strong response from Pyongyang. North Korea sees the military drills as part of a U.S. plot to invade and becomes particularly upset about U.S. nuclear activities in the region.
    Washington and Seoul say they the annual drills are routine and defensive.
     
  7. ditch witch

    ditch witch I do stupid crap, so you don't have to

    I see they've upgraded their navy.

     
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  8. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    The guy upfront looks like he is trying to harpoon some lunch ;)
     
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  9. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    Well two B-2 bombers are on patrol over them right now.
     
  10. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    “The State of War” – Kim Jong Un’s Bombastic, and Ominous, Bluster

    by Gordon G. Chang Mar 30, 2013 11:22 AM EDT

    EXCERPTS:
    On Saturday, North Korea declared it was “entering the state of war” with South Korea. This follows Friday’s statement from leader Kim Jong Un that “the time has come to settle accounts with the U.S. imperialists in view of the prevailing situation.” The boy leader—Kim is believed to be 29—left no doubt what he meant. At the same time, he signed an order to “mercilessly strike” the U.S. and its military installations in the Pacific.

    This is, of course, bluster, yet the harsh words come at a particularly sensitive moment. The abnormal regime ruling the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is in disarray, and so the situation could quickly spiral out of control.

    Every year, Pyongyang makes bombastic threats before the U.S.-South Korea military exercises. Then, the North Koreans go quiet when the drills begin. This year, however, the tantrum has continued and the words have become increasingly dire. ......

    Young Kim took over in December 2011 after the sudden death of his father, Kim Jong Il. This means, among other things, Jong Un did not have time to install officials loyal to him or learn the complex balancing required to keep the four regime elements—the military, the security apparatus, the party, and Kim family circle—in proper alignment.

    As a result, Kim Jong Un, now hailed as “Supreme Commander,” has had to rely on two relatives for support, aunt Kim Kyong Hui and her husband, Jang Song Thaek.
    ......

    That makes him vulnerable, especially because Jang Song Thaek is not only purging officials but is also dismantling the power structure put in place by Kim Jong Il. Kim Jong Il favored the military over the Korean Workers’ Party, but Jang, acting in Kim Jong Un’s name, has been favoring the party by cutting the army down to size.
    .......

    Moreover, Kim and Jang have sacked top flag officers, most notably Vice Marshal Ri Yong Ho, the respected chief of the General Staff. Some analysts believe there was a shootout between forces opposing Ri and those loyal to him when he was deposed last July. Whether or not these rumors are true, it has become clear that Kim’s removal of the popular Ri did not sit well with front-line commanders. In a further sign of turmoil, Ri’s successor, Hyon Yong Chol, was subsequently demoted.

    Kim Jong Un may have gone too far in upsetting the top brass, so much of his strident rhetoric today appears to be an attempt to appease old-guard generals and admirals. Kim and Jang may be the most powerful individuals in Pyongyang, but they are not in control of the military, and they have not consolidated power over other regime elements. As a result of the disarray, the hardliners seem to have grabbed control.

    And don’t look to China to help tame North Korea, its only formal ally. China’s Communist Party is also struggling to complete a troubled leadership transition. In the turmoil of last year, the People’s Liberation Army has, from all appearances, emerged as the most influential faction in the ruling group.

    China’s flag officers have maintained links with their North Korean counterparts and still hold pro-Pyongyang views. The Chinese military, for instance, has transferred at least six mobile missile launchers for the North’s new KN-08 nuclear-capable missile, thereby substantially increasing Kim’s ability to wage nuclear war. So instead of restraining their belligerent allies, the Chinese seem to be egging them on.

    Kim Jong Un, therefore, does not have to worry about Beijing reining him in. And as he makes threat after threat, Kim is making it more difficult for himself to back down, especially since his regime has, over the course of decades, built its legitimacy on the use of deadly force.

    North Korea is unlikely to resort to violence while the annual U.S.-South Korea military exercises continue and our readiness is high. Yet in these fluid circumstances, just about anything can happen. The window for violence on the Korean peninsula is now open.

    Gordon G. Chang is the author of The Coming Collapse of China and Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes On the World. His writings have appeared in The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal, among other publications.

    “The State of War” – Kim Jong Un’s Bombastic, and Ominous, Bluster - The Daily Beast
     
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  11. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    An interesting commentary and analysis. Yet another argument against dynastic absolute monarchies.
     
  12. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I begin to wonder why we bother responding to the bluster. About all I can think of worth saying to Jong is, "Bring it on, fat boy, and save your breath for running, you are going to need it." Anything more than that provides some of recognition he craves above all else. Face is all in Asia, and he has none.

    All he really wants is for the rest of the world to respect NK as a real nation instead of a sociopathic child unwelcome at a family picnic. Jong would love to shake hands with other world leaders; that would give the impression (face) that he's worthy of respect.

    I suspect that the only reason we haven't swatted that fly is the sure and certain collateral damage. The population has been brainwashed into hating the US and have no access to truth in that regard. They have no way to know the free world's hand has been held for their sake and no other. They are conditioned to think that Jong has enough military strength to actually win a war, when it's pretty obvious the Dutch could roll up NK in a week by themselves with a bit of French air cover.

    I have come to think that maybe fat boy really wants the US to mash his military and take over governance. That way, aid would pour in from the UN, doncha know?
     
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  13. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    US pushes back against North Korean war rhetoric

    North Korea warned Seoul on Saturday that the Korean Peninsula had entered 'a state of war.' US officials note that North Korea has a long history of bellicose rhetoric and threats, but they're taking additional defensive measures just in case.

    By Brad Knickerbocker | Christian Science Monitor – 19 hrs ago

    In the wake of North Korea’s latest war-like pronouncements, theUnited States is assuming a sober, tough-minded stance it hopes will avert further threats and provocative acts by Pyongyang.
    North Korea warned Seoul on Saturday that the Korean Peninsulahad entered “a state of war” and it threatened to shut down a border factory complex involving both countries.
    "We've seen reports of a new and unconstructive statement from North Korea," said National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden in a statement Saturday. "We take these threats seriously and remain in close contact with our South Korean allies. But we would also note that North Korea has a long history of bellicose rhetoric and threats and today's announcement follows that familiar pattern.”
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    "As [Defense] Secretary [Chuck] Hagel said on Thursday, we remain fully prepared and capable of defending and protecting the United States and our allies," she added. "We continue to take additional measures against the North Korean threat, including our plan to increase the U.S. ground-based interceptors and early warning and tracking radar, and the signing of the [South Korea-US] counter-provocation plan."
    Earlier, deputy White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters on Air Force One thatPyongyang was purely to blame for escalating tensions, Agence France-Presse reported.
    "We are coordinating pretty closely with not just our allies, but also with Russia and China which also have a significant stake in resolving this situation peacefully," Mr. Earnest said.
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    Rhetorical saber-rattling aside, analysts say a full-scale conflict is extremely unlikely, noting that theKorean Peninsula has remained in a technical state of war for 60 years, the Associated Press reported Saturday. But the North's continued threats toward Seoul and Washington, including a vow to launch a nuclear strike, have raised worries that a misjudgment between the sides could lead to a clash.
    North Korea's threats are seen as efforts to provoke the new government in Seoul, led by President Park Geun-hye, to change its policies toward Pyongyang, and to win diplomatic talks with Washington that could get it more aid, the AP reports from Seoul. North Korea's moves are also seen as ways to build domestic unity as young leader Kim Jong Un strengthens his military credentials.
    North Korea said in a statement Saturday that it would deal with South Korea according to "wartime regulations" and would retaliate against any provocations by the United States and South Korea without notice.
    "Now that the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK have entered into an actual military action, the inter-Korean relations have naturally entered the state of war," said the statement, which was carried by Pyongyang's official Korean Central News Agency, referring to the North's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
    Provocations "will not be limited to a local war, but develop into an all-out war, a nuclear war," the statement said.
    Pyongyang has threatened to turn Seoul into a "sea of fire" and has warned of firing rockets at U.S. military bases in Guam, Hawaii and Japan,” notes a Voice of America report. Analysts say the North is not yet capable of mounting an operational nuclear warhead on a missile. But many of its neighbors are worried they may be easier targets for Pyongyang's conventional weapons.
    Pyongyang’s latest threats come in the context of a joint US-South Korea military exercise on the Korean Peninsula, including overflights and the dropping of dummy bombs on an uninhabited South Korean island by US B-2 stealth bombers on long-range flights from Missouri.
     
  14. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Some friends of mine area bit concerned with the Pipsqueak, and are putting a team together to be ready if called. We have a commander Spooky (only name we know for him), Fred and George for Forward and rear guards (brothers if you can't tell) Angel in overwatch position, (she is damn good, but don't tell her that, or you will never hear the end of it), Shadow is on Recon, Gunther is a sapper and covers demolitions, and tunneling, and i see Papa has a new recruit....that is going to leave a mark, but he should learn from it. Spooky. fred. George. Shadow. Gunther. Papa. Hairy.
     
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  15. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Angel is pretty good at hiding, finally caught a pic of her, Angel.
     
  16. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    Do they know to stay away from stewpots?
     
  17. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Yes, they each carry personal defense charges to blow the bottoms out of any pots, skillets, and woks they are threatened with. and Hairy throws poo.
     
  18. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    Pyongyang Blusters, and U.S. Worries About Quieter Risks

    Jon Chol Jin/Associated Press
    By CHOE SANG-HUN and DAVID E. SANGER
    Published: March 29, 2013

    EXCERPTS:
    SEOUL, South Korea — This week, North Korea’s young leader, Kim Jung-un, ordered his underlings to prepare for a missile attack on the United States. He appeared at a command center in front of a wall map with the bold, unlikely title, “Plans to Attack the Mainland U.S.” Earlier in the month, his generals boasted of developing a “Korean-style” nuclear warhead that could be fitted atop a long-range missile.
    .......

    In fact, it is the abilities that Mr. Kim is not showing off that have the Obama administration most worried. The cyberattacks on South Korea’s banking system and television broadcasters two weeks ago were surprisingly successful, as was the torpedo attack three years ago this week on the Cheonan, a naval corvette, that killed 46 South Korean sailors. The North has never acknowledged involvement in either — though the South believes it was responsible for both and so do American experts.

    “We’re convinced this is about Kim solidifying his place with his own people and his own military, who still don’t know him,” one senior administration official said Friday. He added, “We’re worried about what he’s going to do next, but we’re not worried about what he seems to be threatening to do next.”

    The cyberattacks and torpedo attack have something in common: Unlike the missile attacks and beach landings that Mr. Kim seems to be suggesting are imminent, they are hard to trace to North Korea, at least immediately. As a result, they are hard to retaliate against, and in fact the South never struck back militarily for the sinking of the Cheonan, even after a commission of inquiry, with experts from outside South Korea, concluded it was the work of a submarine-launched torpedo.
    ......

    According to the view that North Korea’s propaganda machine pounds into its citizens’ minds, the North is a tiny nation besieged by hostile outside forces, one that survived despite decades of sanctions and can finally stand up to both its longtime Chinese ally and American enemy — all thanks to the strong “military-first” leadership of the Kim family and the country’s nuclear arsenal.
    ......

    In the propaganda world that the three generations of the Kim dynasty has created, Mr. Kim is “a great iron-willed general admired by all of his people, including real generals who have actually served in the military,” said Lee Sung-yoon, North Korea specialist at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. “For the Kim III, fantasy is reality.”
    ......

    “We’re all trying to put him on the couch,” said Jonathan D. Pollack, a North Korea expert at the Brookings Institution. “A year ago the U.S. and the Chinese saw at least the possibility that you could do business with him. But he has steadily reverted to form,” adopting the approach of his father and grandfather in using the perception of an external threat to solidify support at home.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/30/world/asia/in-pyongyang-bluster-fakery-and-real-risks.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130330&_r=0
     
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  19. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    Using an external threat to solidfy support at home? Well that's nothing new. Every government that I know of has used that, can't let a good 'crisis'(real or imagined) go to waste after all.
     
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  20. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Indeed....the Falklands / Malvinas War really boosted Maggie Thatcher's falling stocks for a while.
     
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