Obama, Pick A Side: God Or Gay

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by TXKajun, May 15, 2012.

  1. TXKajun

    TXKajun Monkey+++

    Looks like O's going for more "damage control" after Newsweek declared him as "First Gay President", complete with rainbow colored "gaylo". http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/14...gay-president/

    Now he's hiring a "Faith Outreach Director" for his campaign to try to get back the votes he lost when he came out in favor of gay marriage. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...or/?hpt=hp_bn5 Michael Wear is 23 years young, graduated from George Washington U in 2011, and has a BA in political science. Not a lot of pics of Mikey, but here's one:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet...aign-outreach/ Noticed he's been with the WH since 2010 and salary has been ~$45K/yr.

    OK, O, you gotta realize something right here, right now. There are some things that you can NOT take a stand on both sides of. You either are going to have to be for them or against them. The 2 sides are mutually exclusive, at least in some peoples' (voters) minds. Oh, wait a minute, he's a politician and incabable of 1) taking a firm stand and 2) opening his mouth without uttering a lie. My bad! whistle.


  2. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Why is the state/govt. involved in marriage anyway? It took a lot of coaxing for my wife to convince me to go through with it. Ultimately, I figured it was something she wanted and was just a long day for me, so I acquiesced.

    My viewpoint has been that I don't need a piece of paper, a preacher/JOP, or a ring to tell me what my duties, roles, responsibilities are regarding "family." All of that was set in my mind beforehand. I don't wear a ring...means nothing to me, but follow the 10 Commandments because the are good rules by which to live--religion has nothing to do with it.

    I can understand how this can a religious affair however, so it should be something between the church and the couple... I also realize how very important the sanctity of marriage is for the health of a society. Family, family values and the transference of morals from one generation to the next is extremely important.

    The problem with allowing the state in on a typical religious ceremony is that it creates bureaucratic BS to deal with: wills, probate, alimony, prenuptuals......all of that is just a PITA. How did society ever work with the state crawling up your @$$ about everything?

    This huge focus on the legality of marriage....instead of the moral/spiritual side of marriage has resulted in a whole group of this country having babies out of wedlock, growing up without a father, then perpetuating the cycle--then complaining they don't receive a fair shake...nevermind that 1/4 are in jail/prison or have been incarcerated. It used to be shameful to do such a thing...with today's welfare system, you're rewarded for it and in that culture you get "street cred" for being locked up.

    No thanks...keep your ideas about marriage off the ballot box and back into church where they belong. It's all about gayz receiving benefits of the partner with insurance anyways.

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  3. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Obama, Pick A Side: God Or Gay

    0bama chooses.......

  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    God is neither a voter, nor is he a candidate for POTUS

    As far as I can tell, God is not a registered voter, and although many claim to be his proxies, speaking on his behalf...he..if he exists...is silent.

    The proposition could be more accurately expressed as..."Obama, Pick a Side: The Religiose Right, or Gay". It is not as alliterative as the thread header....but it describes the factional interests who do vote, more accurately...
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  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    The puupet made no choice. He's pandering for votes. He cares not one whit for anyone but HIMSELF.
    Hopefully this will result in many fence-sitters going against him.
  6. So you guys are still expecting Obama to do the right thing? About anything ? Interesting ...
  7. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    What is the right thing? Both the Kenyan and Romney are vote pandering. If one says "I support X," the other says "I don't support X." In this case, Romney had to flip-flop from his previous position on the issue. They're just picking distracting issues that will play out well in the media for a while to keep the sheeple from noticing the real problems.

    The "right thing" would be to say: "I, like you, have an opinion on this and many other issues. However, this is not a federal issue. It is one to be dealt with at the state and local level. Now, I've read the Constitution, and nowhere in it does it give the federal government the power to regulate marriage...or healthcare. So, that's where the 10th Amendment proscribes how to deal with such issues. These are local issues...period. ...and that's the last time I'm going to speak about the issue."

    OK....so the Kenyan couldn't say this without lying because he's never read the Constitution, but you get my drift.
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    What are the remaining "issues" that affect the entire population rather than divisive and personal level items such as same sex unions within or without the context of religion? How about fiscally responsible government? How about wasting the best and brightest in the sandbox? How about this travesty, the DHS? How about illegal immigrants? How about trampling on the Constitution, left, right and center?

    Rather than using a term that belittles gays, I'll just say that's a personal thing, and dot gov should keep its beak well clear of that bucket of (______________) soup. Same applies to the front runners for the oval office chair. Tend to the business of government, not the ranting emotions of a few loudmouths. Some squeaky wheels don't need grease; show me the "mechanic" that knows the difference so I can support him.
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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Now wait just a minute here Chell.... From the above "Quote" the only thing YOU can SAY is..... "If He exists... is silent, in that he hasn't and doesn't speak to Me." You can have NO IDEA, if that is a "Mutually Exclusive" Situation, for other folks... All you can say is, it is for YOU... Maybe GOD has decided that You, aren't worth "SPEAKING TO" where as, there maybe be others, that regularly communicate with GOD. How do you KNOW, that GOD hasn't been speaking to others, since the beginning? Have you queried every possible Human, alive today, and even if you could, maybe they are NOT willing to disclose their communications with GOD, to you.... What makes YOU, the arbiter of this question? Just a Little presumptuous of YOU, In MY Opinion.... YMMV....
  10. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify the belief that deities either do or do not exist; this pretty well defines me.
  11. jungatheart

    jungatheart Beginner's Mind

    For quite awhile now I've felt what's happening in our country is a classic case of Good Vs. Evil. I don't believe being Gay is evil but I do believe Obama is.

    "All that is necessary for Evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
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  12. TXKajun

    TXKajun Monkey+++

    That's why it's called "faith". Some folks gots it, some don't. (Not comin' down on ya, SC, k?)

    And some who had it are now maybe confused? My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

    Last, but not least, why is this homosexual marriage issue becoming a national issue in the presidential campaign? Oh, I forgot, O raised an extra $15M after saying he was in favor of gay marriage.

  13. larryinalabama

    larryinalabama Monkey++

    The Bible says homosexuality is evil. Do you want fags teaching your young children???????
  14. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    As with all things political, "Follow the money!"
  15. Catullus

    Catullus Monkey+++

    The bible also says that I have the right to own a slave and send my wife to menstruate in a separate location. Neither of those are happening either. Political agenda being inserted slowly, over time in the religious texts and then slowly warped as they are translated a half a dozen times to fit someone's political or social need is par for the course.
  16. larryinalabama

    larryinalabama Monkey++

    With all due respect. I dont want my children to grow up being fags.

    I dont want my childrens teachars to be queer, weathe in school baseball boyscouths etc.


    I hope the Monkey inst turning liberal
  17. Well fag is a strong word, but I see what you mean.
  18. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    G&L folk are all around us....even in schools

    Chances are your children are being taught by "fags"....just that they are not visible to you...being as they are either in the metaphorical closet...or just don't do a big song and dance about it at school. If the proportion of gays in the school teaching staff is consistent with the proportion of gays in the general population...then between at least 7-10% of the teaching staff are probably gay or bisexual.
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  19. jungatheart

    jungatheart Beginner's Mind

    I've met some homosexuals that are good people, not evil. I can only live my life based on my experience.

    I just don't believe homosexuality is a choice any more than heterosexuality is. Doesn't matter what I'm taught or brought up with, I'm heterosexual. I believe homosexuals are the same, they were born that way.

    Don't get me wrong, I can't stand being around male homosexuals but our country is majority rule with minority rights.
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  20. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    This whole Gay Rights deal, is the same for ANY of the Liberal Agenda Driven Movements.... They are ALL running the same program, and using the SAME arguments. I have NO Problem with a Gay Person Being Gay, What I HAVE a problem with, is ANYONE, that is "In my FACE" with an AGENDA that I do NOT subscribe to, and impeding MY Free Association, or MY 1st Amendment Rights, with their "Protests, and Civil Disobedience. If these folks would just live their LIFE, and NOT get in MY Face, about their Choices in Life, I would have NO ISSUES with their doing ever they want, Legally, PERIOD.

    HOWEVER, when they come up to ME, on a PUBLIC STREET, and chuck a ballon of BLOOD, on ME, and are mouthing Off with their BS, in MY FACE, then absolutely I take offense. I cold-cocked the Dude, with a righthand Punch to the Nose. The LEO who saw the whole thing, came over and asked if I want to press Assault Charges? I answered "You Bet" and he had that dude in chuffs before he ever got up off the ground. Then I spent a Day in Court, testifying, and the Prosecutor asked me if I would be alright, with a Misdemeanor Plea Bargain. I said "Absolutely NOT" So this weasel was convicted of Felony Assault, and spent a YEAR in the King County GrayBar Hotel, and forever has a Felony Conviction on his record. He is VERY Lucky, I was in a Good Mood, that day, because all I would have needed to do was present My Federal Credentials, and he would have been convicted of Assault on a Federal Agent. I choose not to, and that was MY GIFT, to his movement. The moral to this Story IS: Never mess with a Stranger, as you have NO Idea, what the consequences of that action, Intended, or Unintended, will be".... ...... YMMV.....
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