Obama Policy Would End Civilian Marksmanship Program imports

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by stg58, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    The CMP has been re-importing rifles from Greece, Denmark and Germany from post WW 2 aid and wanted to re-import weapons supplied to Korea but were stopped before this order.

    The CMP says no but if re-importation of M-1, M-1 Carbines, 1903 Springfield and 1917 Enfields is stopped it will cut off one supply for the CMP.

    I picked up a few M-1's and some of the re-imported M-1 carbines from Germany and the CMP is a great resource, if not for the CMP 100's of thousands of fine rifles would have been eaten by captain crunch...

    Civilian Marksmanship Program

    Obama’s new Executive Order will kill the 110 year old Civilian Marksmanship Program | The Daily Caller

    Obama's New Executive Order Will Kill 110 Year-Old Civilian Marksmanship Program - Heather Ginsberg

    The White House announced on Thursday that it intends to “ban almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities” through executive order, which would effectively shut down the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program.

    In a Fact Sheet published on Whitehouse.gov today referencing the upcoming executive order the ban on importing military weapons is designed to “keep military-grade firearms off our streets.” Exceptions for import may be allowed for museums.

    The CMP tightly controls the distribution of obsolete military weapons. The program was created by the U.S. Congress as part of the 1903 War Department Appropriations Act with the purpose of allowing civilians to hone their marksmanship skills, should they later be called into military service.

    Participants receiving firearms through the CMP must comply with all state and federal firearm laws and undergo a background check conducted by a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License in order to receive the gun.

    Additionally, they must also be a member of a CMP affiliated shooting club, making participating in the program more difficult than anyone trying to purchase a firearm through usual retail channels.

    The Civilian Marksmanship Program was administered by the United States Army from 1916 through 1996 when it was changed to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety, a 501(c) (3) organization federally chartered by the U.S. Congress.

    There are no data indicating any of the weapons involved in homicide were imported surplus military rifles. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s homicide crime statistics, rifles accounted for only 323 deaths out of 12,664 homicides in 2011, the most recent data set provided by the FBI.

    “Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army’s inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding,” the CMP website states, adding that they have been overwhelmed by requests and orders are taking 30-60 days to ship product.

    The rifles that the Executive Order would affect are typically from U.S. allies and are pre-Vietnam era. Without the importation of these rifles, the CMP is likely to become defunct and thus destroying a 110 year tradition of saving military arms and their civilian ownership.

    For Immediate Release
    August 29, 2013
    FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence
    Today, the Obama administration announced two new common-sense executive actions to keep the most dangerous firearms out of the wrong hands and ban almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities. These executive actions build on the 23 executive actions that the Vice President recommended as part of the comprehensive gun violence reduction plan and the President unveiled on January 16, 2013.

    Even as Congress fails to act on common-sense proposals, like expanding criminal background checks and making gun trafficking a federal crime, the President and Vice President remain committed to using all the tools in their power to make progress toward reducing gun violence.

    Building on the 23 Executive Actions the President and Vice President Unveiled Last January

    • Last December, the President asked the Vice President to develop a series of recommendations to reduce gun violence. On January 16, 2013, they released these proposals, including 23 executive actions. With the first Senate confirmation of an ATF Director on July 31, 2013, the Administration has completed or made significant progress on 22 of the 23 executive actions. The new executive actions unveiled today build on this successful effort.
    Closing a Loophole to Keep Some of the Most Dangerous Guns Out of the Wrong Hands

    • Current law places special restrictions on many of the most dangerous weapons, such as machine guns and short-barreled shotguns. These weapons must be registered, and in order to lawfully possess them, a prospective buyer must undergo a fingerprint-based background check.
    • However, felons, domestic abusers, and others prohibited from having guns can easily evade the required background check and gain access to machine guns or other particularly dangerous weapons by registering the weapon to a trust or corporation. At present, when the weapon is registered to a trust or corporation, no background check is run. ATF reports that last year alone, it received more than 39,000 requests for transfers of these restricted firearms to trusts or corporations.
    • Today, ATF is issuing a new proposed regulation to close this loophole. The proposed rule requires individuals associated with trusts or corporations that acquire these types of weapons to undergo background checks, just as these individuals would if the weapons were registered to them individually. By closing this loophole, the regulation will ensure that machine guns and other particularly dangerous weapons do not end up in the wrong hands.
    Keeping Surplus Military Weapons Off Our Streets

    • When the United States provides military firearms to its allies, either as direct commercial sales or through the foreign military sales or military assistance programs, those firearms may not be imported back into the United States without U.S. government approval. Since 2005, the U.S. Government has authorized requests to reimport more than 250,000 of these firearms.
    • Today, the Administration is announcing a new policy of denying requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the United States to private entities, with only a few exceptions such as for museums. This new policy will help keep military-grade firearms off our streets.

    Last edited: Sep 10, 2013
  2. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Fear of Impact on the
    Civilian Marksman Program
    Dear TSRA Members, Family and Friends:
    TSRA headquarters has been inundated with calls from concerned members. Below is the latest information researched and provided by High Power Rifle Director, Ken Gabe from Belton.
    This information is minutes old and could be considered "from the horse's mouth".
    Civilian Marksman Program status:
    Information provided this morning by a CMP spokes-person:
    "The latest Exec order, action, policy, or whatever it turns out to be has no impact on the CMP. From what we have read, the action applies to private importers. CMP has never imported a firearm and will never import a firearm. Any rifle we receive is transferred to us by the U.S. Army, who is not affected by the latest news. All of the rumors and reports were unfounded and were made without anyone verifying the accuracy of the reports with CMP. We will be sending a short and simple statement to all our constituents this week.
    Thank you checking with us instead of just continuing to report our demise."
  3. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Yep, you know how many people have been killed with a Garand, an M-1 carbine, it's got to be 10's of thousands.
    But those were in European and Pacific Theaters, Korea and Vietnam.

    On the mainland of the US, erm, not so much.
    HK_User likes this.
  4. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I hope the CMP is correct but they have been dragging their feet on 86K M-1's since 2010 and totally banned 600K M-1 carbines...

    "She noted that the U.S. government, however, rejected Seoul’s proposal to export some 600,000 M1 Carbines, which were also used in the Korean War, as they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds unlike the Garands."

    Obama continues ban on importation of 600,000 historical, collectible M1 Carbine rifles; Fate of 86,000 Garands still in doubt | The Daily Caller
  5. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Only four I can think of right off.....:rolleyes:
  6. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    CMP does NOT get their Weapons from the type of sources of weapons the Koreans are trying to sell.... So the Korean weapons are not, and never were destine for CMP, and CPM Weapons can ONLY come from the US Military Stocks. Those Stocks include weapons that were loaned to other countries, and then given back to the US Military, when they were no longer needed. The Korean Weapons were SOLD by the US Military to the Koreans, and now the Koreans want to SELL, them back, not to the US Military, but to a Private concern, Century Arms. That deal went south due to the Price the Koreans were asking, and that is where the whole Korean thing sits NOW.... This was all stated by the CMP Head in a published statement.
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