OBAMA-SCARE THE ACTUALITY!!!!

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by Gopherman, Dec 15, 2013.


  1. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    In a nutshell. My wife and I took a couple hours and read some of the actual bill, It's nothing short of scary. Their is so much vague language and open ended terminology, it's no wonder people can get their heads around it.
    Most of it says to be determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, we all know how well her work turned out so far.
    there is a lot of stuff that was passed that gave sweeping powers to DHS and Fema as well hidden in a lot of portions.
    • So what do we know so far, If you don't have Health Care, it's illegal!
    • We've been lied to, and are still being lied to about whats in it!
    • Your healthcare if it hasn't already been cancelled will be in 2014, for at Least 129,000,000 and that's the latest estimate based on the lies that have been told so far.
    • If you sign up on the Govn. website your personal info. will most likely be stolen and misused, however this doesn't really matter, because when you sign it, it say's that you have NO EXPECTATIONS of privacy, concerning your personal data, and it can be shared or given to any agency upon request ,State, Local, or Federal!!
    • You will have to pay 2-300% more for the insurance(if your lucky) but your deductible will be so outrageous, you will not be able to use it because the deductible is so high it would bankrupt you! However, you must still pay your premium, because it's illegal if you don't!
    • We also were never told, that they would drop thousands of doctors from the roles, or that entire Institutions would opt out, and refuse to accept your mandatory insurance policy, at a time when they are saying they need more Doctors to make it work!
    • They still haven't said anything about the $225 million dollars per year, supplied for home visits. The language is VERY, Vague and Ominous!
    • They still have said nothing about how their going to enforce penalties on people who refuse to sign up at all and avoid paying the penalties. It's a progressive penalty, so what are they going to do. Debtors prison?
    This is a very troubling situation for American's, maybe not for the Government Vampires that suck the life out of the Working class, but for the middle class, get ready to be knocked down to Lower Class Status, until everyone is forced into the Government sub-sistency programs and all checks will be issued by Uncle Sam!
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2013
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The IRS will be the collecting agency. No lie, it's true. Welcome to the New World...we will never go back to the old one.
     
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  3. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    The best is yet to come.
    Watch all those with employer healthcare.
    You thought previous days annual healthcare increase of 15 to 20 percent annually were brutal.
    We had a pow-wow with 4 different insurance brokers in the past month, they are saying 2014 will be about normal, but added compliance costs and mandates will probably double our costs in 2015
     
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  4. William Antrum

    William Antrum GunMetal Monkey

    say it ain't so..........
     
  5. William Antrum

    William Antrum GunMetal Monkey

    double what cost if there is no teet to suck there won't be any increase..something from nothing is still nothing no matter what algebra or stat they use...
     
  6. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter

    Your friendly cooperation will be mandatory!
     
  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    yup. And they can garnish your wages, too. Penalties for first year without insurance is pretty low, but after that it gets pretty steep. It's a forced tax, through and through. The IRS is the obvious collector.
     
  8. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    I'll be watching for "retirement" notices from IRS agents in the Sunday New York Times.
     
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  9. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Would those be found in the obits?
     
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  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Why is this in the TFH lounge? lol
     
  11. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    Been awhile since I read Unintended Consequences, but they'll be somewhere in the classifieds
     
  12. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter


    Forced retirement? ;)
     
  13. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    We had to modify our business policy for next year, but 2015 when business's lose their exemption will tell the true tale on how bad it will get as far as folks losing policies. I suspect that it will get delayed once more to get thru the presidential elections to hide the true impact. If not, the dem's will be hammered in the elections, and they know that to be fact.
     
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2013
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  14. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter

    And if the reporting is accurate, dem's are very nervus...
     
  15. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    I feel for ya'll....and OCare is clearly going to cost more lives than it saves.
    :(
    My Medical Service Plan costs me $720/year so if anyone tells u that it's "FREE" in Canada...they aint educated on BC HC.
     
  16. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter

    To inform the targeted audience that health care will cost them would be counter productive to their goals.. The "targeted audience" look to mass media only for their information..
     
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  17. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    If you don't mean $720 a month, it's practically free! We pay $400 a month right now with a $1,500.00 deductible, closest comparable's gonna be a $6,000 or more deductible and over $800 a month premium. That's if they can get these healthy young people to sign up for it, Which their not so far, and they don't sound like their going to change their minds anytime soon. that's why they put off the premiums for 2015 till after the elections next year, people will rise up when you tell them they HAVE TO PAY exorbant(?) amounts of money for something that will not even cover them, except maybe in case of a catastrophic illness, and only if a panel of bureaucrats thinks your worth the investment, But Give us time WE"LL GET BACK TO YOU!! Meanwhile you die from your disease while your waiting, SEE THAT WORKED OUT WELL!!
    This thing is imploding, it was a conspiracy to defraud the American People from the very conception and an intentional move to destabalize the economy in a way that was irreparably, which I believe the real agenda.
    NOBODY COULD SCREW SOMETHING UP THIS BAD BY ACCIDENT!!![cow]
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2013
  18. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    A year? Dude, I pay that in just 5 weeks, and my employer can write off their half of the bill. To me, that's almost free.
     
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  19. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter

    I won't be making ANY complaints about my insurance.. Not after seeing the bill's from my tumble from the bike this last summer.
     
  20. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I'm sure that bill was inflated to the max that the provider thought the ins co would pay, and did NOT reflect the actual service provided. (But I get the idea ---.)
     
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