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Obama's "citizen" or not status

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by tacmotusn, Jul 10, 2009.

  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I just received this via email from a normally trusted source. I have made no effort to vest it in any way. I submit it for the entertainment of Sniper-66, Tango3, and Blackjack specifically. It should get some interesting discussion going. :D seesaw [dunno]

    Supreme Court to Hear Obama birthplace suit

    If the our system works as planned and the law prevails, this fraud and liar could be removed from office.
    Snopes mentioned this in a short statement, but did not elaborate.
    (Now we know why he is so eager to get Sottomayer appointed!)

    BOMBSHELL…Supreme Court now has Obama Citizeenship
    AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group Americans for Freedom of Information has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school.
    The transcript was released by Occidental College in
    compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.
    To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking.
    Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as president.
    When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.
    Britain 's Daily Mail also carried the story in a front-page article titled, Obama Eligibility Questioned leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.
    In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by LEO Donofrio of New Jersey.
    This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama' s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.
    Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

    Pass this along. So far, Obama's main stream media haven't touched it!
  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    [reddevil]for the sake of discussion:[nothome]
    " uh... where there's smoke there's fire"???
    Think this would this put the "ka-bosh" on alot of this liberal happy horsesh*t? or just drive the country completely into red/blues state conflict?

    You can hear it already: "What! a blackman can't be in the white house"?". From compton to atlanta: "Gonna burn this mf down..."
    Even still is that a reason to piss away the law?
  3. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Just got the second email on this story. I kinda figured it was too good to be true. Wishful thinking actually. Oh well.

    NOT TRUE! According to SNOPES.

    "If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair." C. S. Lewis
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    oh well there goes my "hope" for "change"...
  5. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Seems to be the old adage: "Change Happens"!
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Don't be so pessimistic,fromanotherboard: july10th, the officer suing for clarity on obamas eligibility..:
    fromanother board:(http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread480978/pg1)

    I read the entire lawsuit that was filed in federal court. The real surprise was on page 9 & 10 where I found the following:

    “The evidence contained in exhibit B shows that Barrak Hussein Obama might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 Social Security Numbers prior to assuming [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important][COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]office[/COLOR][/COLOR] as president. The Social Security number most commonly used by Barrak Hussein Obama is one issued by the state of Connecticut, the state where Barrak Hussein Obama never resided and shows him to be 119 years old.

    This coupled with the fact that Mr Obama’s grandmother, Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court Probate department and had access to the Social Security Numbers of the deceased, constitutes circumstantial evidence casting serious doubt on the legitimacy of Mr Obama and his claims of being born on U.S. territory.”

    The suit was filed in the Federal District court in Columbus Ga.
    by attorney Orly Taitz. I personally cannot imagine that any attorney would file such a lawsuit with the allegations about the misuse of Social Security numbers and include a list of the numbers as an appendix to the lawsuit if the information had not been thoroughly investigated.

    Maybe.. Just Maybe this story will get legs and help stop this national nightmare we are in.

    The additional link is to the full text of the lawsuit.

    (visit the link for the full news article)
  7. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    If this can be proven, it will mean many things:

    1) That the Government of the United States has been usurped by both a noncitizen illegally holding the office of POTUS,
    2) and that he was helped in that criminal undertaking by the leadership of the Democratic Party with no opposition from the GOP,
    3) and that those members of this nation's Government who knowing participated in this are guilty of High Treason,
    4) and that NO law signed by The Usurper has any validity according to the Constitution of the United States, and NO treaty signed by him is binding,
    5) thus the Government of this nation has committed fraud on an truly global scale, as well as outright larceny and theft of the National Treasury,
    6) and that the nationalization of this nation's banking, mortgage, housing, auto, health and energy busnesses has been done totally ILLEGALLY.
    7) Another HUGE problem is that IF obama/soetoro were to be, at best, impeached and removed from office, it would create a firestorm of protest and violence natonwide from his koolade drinking supporters.

    So, at best, I feel we might be able to look forward to The Usurper being allowed by a complicit Government to hold his illicitly gained position until the next election in 2012 - and I pray to God the people of this nation will vote with their minds this time instead of their emotions and greed.
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    What is truly troublesome about this is that it might be better to let it ride to avoid the complications of sorting it all out. An awful choice: To prosecute or let it ride. Prosecution is my vote, but I can see some serious impacts nationally, not to mention globally. And years, if not decades of legal hassles. But first, vote him and his sycophants out. I think undoing the mess could best be done by fresh blood in the Oval Office (I do NOT mean Biden filling in the rest of the term) and Congress without an impeachment proceeding getting in the way of doing the nation's business. He can screw things up only so badly in the remaining term. The question is whether or not the grass roots gets enough pissed off with what he's done (and doing) to get over the promised (and so far not delivered) change.


  9. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I too for see serious bloodletting if this issue would take wings and he be proved ineligible, but it would be mighty hypocrytical to shout "rule of law"! and then let something this important slip under the carpet...
    Anytime "they put the last run of concertina wire up in the various camps and qualify the last tower guard on the saw,"they" can let this go into scotus, find a problem and create a mess like turning ona light switch.
    Or it's all hyped dog hooey, and "they"'ll just gather the ones not proclaiming ever lasting love and devotion...
  10. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

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    Chris Matthews Wrong on Obama Birth Certificate

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    MSNBC's Chris Matthews got into a heated exchange with a congressman on his show Tuesday as he revisited the question of President Barack Obama's birth certificate — or lack of one.

    Rep. John Campbell, R-Calif., is a co-sponsor of the so-called "birther bill," which would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificates.

    “Birthers” are those who believe Obama is not qualified to be president based on a belief that he was not born in the United States.

    Campbell is not a “birther” and has never claimed that Obama was born outside the United States or should be disqualified from being president.

    On the show, Matthews seemingly undermined claims by some that Obama has never released his birth certificate, producing what Matthews said was a true copy of it.

    But Matthews made a false claim. Obama has never released his actual birth certificate. He has released another document, often provided by state authorities in lieu of a birth certificate, called a certificate of live birth.

    Matthews on Tuesday said Campbell was "playing to the crazies" by supporting the "crazy" bill, and the congressman shot back that it was all about "putting the matter to rest."

    Matthews also accused Campbell of "feeding the wacko wing of your party," and held up what he called a copy of the supposed Obama birth certificate.

    Case closed?

    The indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there.

    Instead, his campaign has only released his certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate.

    During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.

    Obama could likewise put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided on the certificate of live birth.

    As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate.

    Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.

    The fact that Obama has refused to release his actual birth certificate does not mean conspiracy theorists are right when they claim he was born in Kenya and therefore not eligible to be president. Investigators who have reviewed the claims have found no evidence Obama was born outside of Hawaii.

    But Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.

    Obama, for example, has not released many other documents regarding his public and private life.

    Many of these documents were sought by reporters, who easily acquiesced when Obama said he would release them – though most presidential candidates release them as a perfunctory matter.

    Among the key documents that continue to be shielded from the public by Obama:

    Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.

    Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.

    Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008, but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.

    Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.

    Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.

    Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.

    Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.

    During the presidential campaign, McCain’s campaign released a full list of all online donors. Obama’s campaign still has not released the names of those who donated at least one-third of the $750 million he raised.

    Ironically, Obama accused the Bush White House of being "one of the most secretive administrations in our history," and chided then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.

    Chris Matthews, get your facts straight and demand full disclosure – that’s the best way to keep an honest government.
  11. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    [stirpot][nono] ("fishing smiley")[rnt][cow]
    Thanks, but no thanks:eek:; I've FILLED my QUOTA OF mental diarhhea for this week[looksharp] [fight2][axe]
  12. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    T3, I have to admit you make me laugh. All the above, from you, "one of the biggest, most prolific, generators of conspiracy on this forum...[lolol]

    and YOU, don't want to comment on my post ???

    ok, I will comment on my own post.

  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I don'generate it I just report what I find wandering the cyber wasteland( picture the banished "citizen" sitting handcuffed backwards on a mule with a bucket on his head..).

    I was still feeling like a low life for reacting all pissy to nomad, and just posted the "Detrioit has gone mad max!"post, I be keeping a lower profile fora day or two...
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