Off grid battery bank question.

Discussion in 'Off Grid Living' started by Frozen2death, Dec 20, 2016.


  1. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    im still puzzling over what are

    thermal charging panels?
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    They are panels that generate electrical energy when exposed to heat, thermo electric devices. I think @JCRefuge sells some of those devices, he can steer you to them if so.

    Here's a device that uses the principle.
    Thermoelectric refrigerators? | Survival Monkey Forums
     
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2016
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  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    I have a Commercial Propane fired TEG (Thermal Electric Generator) that burns 1USG of Propane per Day, and generates 240 Watts @ 24Vdc, Constantly... It is in storage at the moment... Got it surplus, when the USCG switched to Diesel Gensets, for their Remote MoutainTop Radio Sites, about a Decade Ago... I tested it, and built a Remote Control System for it, so I could control it, (Off/On) VIA a Radio, or Internet, Connection, and monitor the Battery Voltage and Current in and out of the Battery Bank....
     
  4. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    The first panel I saw available was 15 watts and about 4"X4" .
    At that I could fill the backside of my wood stove and get the same out put as all the solar panels covering my 19' shop trailer.
    I am not one that drives things to their limits so it wouldn't bother me that during the simmer months while the wood stove is dormant those panels would not be producing , however If it were necessary I might apply a few to the water heater stack which does run year round.
    The way I figure it , a lot of folk waste a lot of money on phones for hundreds of dollars and I can do the same thing with a 10 dollar phone. both provide communication and that's fine .
    I don't mind investing in the future for something that lasts longer than a phone and is worth passing down to my children.
    Which in a sense is like giving them an oil well.
     
  5. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    From what I have seen the big box stores stock just about the cheapest crap they can find and sell for the highest price they can.
    I have never seen any decent solar components at a big box store.
    I have seen them at Sams club, walmart, Lowes, home Depot, tractor supply, northern tool and harbor freight. All premium priced no name junk. We're talking like several dollars per watt for a questionable panel that I would only be comfortable paying 1 to 2 dollars a watt for.

    But I have heard that sams, Lowes and home Depot will special order panels good panels. And that good thing about special ordering through a big box chain can save you the freight shipping charge.
     
  6. Frozen2death

    Frozen2death Monkey

    If I could find one of these I would be pretty happy haha
     
  7. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I figure that if i'm running the wood stove any way the TEG is the way to go making the wood work for me every way I can,
    heating ,cooking, and making electricity.
     
  8. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    The issue would be getting the TEG Pile Hot Side installed into the Firebox of the Woodstove, and keeping the Cold Side, under 60F where it is most efficient. Engineering the install will be critical in order to make the System do what you need....
     
  9. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Seems as though one could run cold out side air from the floor/wall and pipe it back out, either joining it to the stove pipe, or in a pipe of it's own, there by not releasing cooler air into the house.
    If you did it right , seems like it would work by convection not having to run a fan at all providing you pipe connections were air tight.
    I was at looking at TEGpro and thinking bout building my own rig.
    The thing bout building one's own stuff is being able to make mods and repairs ,due to mistakes.
    Modules alone run from $12. - $57. ,assembly is definitely required .
     
  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    One with any REAL Power Output will run you a lot more than that... 45 Watts is $500+ You need at least 750F on the Hot Side, and hopefully less than 100F on the Cold Side.... for good efficiency... Getting a good efficient design will take a lot of thought, and some quality Engineering...
     
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  11. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Get them too hot and they burn out then you're SOL.
     
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