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Officals: Israelis in secret trip to inspect Saudi bases. Could be used as staging ground for strike

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by stg58, Nov 24, 2013.

  1. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member

    If true this would be the true definition of the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "Strange bedfellows".

    Since barry did his Neville Chamberlain "peace in our time" appeasement to Iran it really makes it much more likely that there will be action.

    Officals: Israelis in secret trip to inspect Saudi bases. Could be used as staging ground for strikes against Iran « Klein Online
    TEL AVIV — Israeli personnel in recent days were in Saudi Arabia to inspect bases that could be used as a staging ground to launch attacks against Iran, according to informed Egyptian intelligence officials.

    The officials said Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and other Arab and Persian Gulf countries have been discussing the next steps toward possible strikes on Iran’s nuclear sites.

    The officials said the U.S. passed strong messages to Israel and the Saudis that the Americans control radar capabilities over the skies near Iran and that no strike should be launched without permission from the Obama administration.

    It was unclear whether the purported visit to Saudi Arabia by Israeli military and intelligence officials signals any real preparation for a strike or if the trip was meant to keep pressure on the West amid Israeli fears about the current deal with Tehran.

    The trip came prior to the announcement today of the deal with Western powers that aims to halt key parts of Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

    At a cabinet meeting in Jerusalem today, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu slammed what he called a “bad” and “dangerous” deal, while affirming that Israel will not allow Iran to go nuclear.

    “Israel is not obligated by this agreement,” Netanyahu said. “I want to make clear we will not allow Iran to obtain military nuclear capability.”

    “Today the world became a much more dangerous place because the most dangerous regime in the world made a significant step in obtaining the most dangerous weapons in the world,” he said.

    The deal reportedly halts the installation of new centrifuges, but allows Iran to keep current centrifuges used to enrich uranium.

    The agreement caps the amount and type of enriched uranium Iran can produce and opens many nuclear sites up to daily inspections. However, Israel is warning that even the low-grade uranium allowed in the agreement can be used to eventually assemble a nuclear weapons capability.
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  2. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    [BSf] No way this is a true story. I work in Saudi Arabia and believe me there is no way any Israeli military were allowed to "inspect" bases here. You cannot even enter the country if you have a stamp from Israel in your passport. And if the Saudi's allowed Israeli planes to operate out of one of their airbases they would become the pariahs of the middle east. Not happening. I don't know who this "journalist" is but he is full of it.
    An as to Israel's declarations, they need to STFU. It is ok if they are a nuclear power but they will attack anyone else who tries to obtain that status? What if all the Arab countries got together and attacked them to stop their uranium enrichment? Then they would cry for the US to stand by them. BS.
    I don't have much love or respect for the current resident of the white house but negotiations and not letting the war hawks run rampant deserves accolades. Nuclear power for power purposes is a countries right and a smart move. This hand wringing about maybe they might use it to build a bomb is ignorant. If they did we, and Israel wold know it and if they even thought about using it we would bomb them back to the stone age.
    A bunch of smoke and mirrors. IMHO.
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    And the current administration has the temerity to insist that it gives another sovereign nation permission to make war on another nation? What unadulterated crap.

    I'm betting on a complete fabrication, tho' I admit that the House of Saud and the Israelis might make common cause over something. Just not in the cards very soon.
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  4. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    If a deal of this sort was in fact agreed to between Israel and Saudi Arabia, I can't imagine either party being silly enough to let the news of it leak out. As Minuteman indicated, news of military cooperation with Israel would be political suicide for the government of any Arab nation.

    That being said, the governments of Saudi Arabia and the UAE are just as eager as Israel to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear capability; and some sort of SECRET collusion would not surprise me in the least. I just don't think we'll be reading about the details of any such collusion in the newspapers.
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  5. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member

    The Israelis have far fewer leaks than the USA so the Israelis may have planted this red herring to rattle the Iranian cages and publicly remind the USA and others that they are not happy.

    The Saudis are thus far silent on this so they may happy in the short term to let it sit out there to keep everyone wondering..
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  6. Illini Warrior

    Illini Warrior Monkey+

    best that Israel could get is an unacknowledged overflight permission .... the Saudis would be outraged and cancel the every other Tuesday cribbage game ....

    the return trip would be over water .... any other country would ditch the jets and lifeguard the pilots .... Israel will attempt aerial refueling and a full roundtrip .... your guess how US based jets will react .... anywhere from interception to an armed escort .....
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  7. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    Iran will be attacked one way or the other. This plan has been in writing since before Eisenhower and is part of the NWO GW Bush, Churchill, Mandell House, and all the others have been talking about all this time.
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  8. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    This is just planted information for the journalist to create an article, just to keep the heat on Iran. Like Minuteman said, there would be no open cooperation between the two countries. That cooperation would be enough to incite the Saudi people and bring down the royals, due to outrage of that action.
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  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    They wouldn't even allow Pepsi to be sold here because they did business with Israel. The Saudi's have concerns with Iran, especially with them backing the shia protestors in Bahrain. But not enough to ever help or aid Israel in anything.
  10. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

    Planted by Iran or Egyptian Islamists to make the Saudi royals look bad.
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  11. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    Operation Babylon - 1981

    (Edited for Brevity)
    Operation Opera, also known as Operation Babylon, was a surprise Israeli air strike carried out on 7 June 1981, that destroyed a nuclear reactor under construction 17 kilometers (10.5 miles) southeast of Baghdad, Iraq.

    The attack squadron consisted of eight F-16As, each with two unguided Mark-84 2,000-pound delay-action bombs. A flight of six F-15As was assigned to the operation to provide fighter support.

    On 7 June 1981, at 15:55 local time, the operation was initiated. The Israeli planes left Etzion Airbase, flying unchallenged in Jordanian and Saudi airspace. To avoid detection, the Israeli pilots conversed in Saudi-accented Arabic while in Jordanian airspace and told Jordanian air controllers that they were a Saudi patrol that had gone off course. While flying over Saudi Arabia, they pretended to be Jordanians, using Jordanian radio signals and formations.

    Upon reaching Iraqi airspace the squadron split up, with two of the F-15s forming close escort to the F-16 squadron, and the remaining F-15s dispersing into Iraqi airspace as a diversion and ready back-up. The attack squadron descended to 30 m over the Iraqi desert, attempting to fly under the radar of the Iraqi defences.

    At 18:35 local time, 20 km from the Osirak reactor complex, the F-16 formation climbed to 2,100 m and went into a 35-degree dive at 1,100 km/h, aimed at the reactor complex. At 1,100 m, the F-16s began releasing the Mark 84 bombs in pairs, at 5-second intervals. The attack lasted less than two minutes.

    OsirakLocation. Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  12. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member

    The Saudis love their jets, rental women and estates and won't go the way of Mubarack or Gaddafi..

    What did we think the Saudis were giving us all that money for? It wasn't charity”

    Senior Pakistani official

    Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan

    Saudi Arabia has invested in Pakistani nuclear weapons projects, and believes it could obtain atomic bombs at will, a variety of sources have told BBC Newsnight.

    While the kingdom's quest has often been set in the context of countering Iran's atomic programme, it is now possible that the Saudis might be able to deploy such devices more quickly than the Islamic republic.

    Earlier this year, a senior Nato decision maker told me that he had seen intelligence reporting that nuclear weapons made in Pakistan on behalf of Saudi Arabia are now sitting ready for delivery.

    Last month Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israeli military intelligence, told a conference in Sweden that if Iran got the bomb, "the Saudis will not wait one month. They already paid for the bomb, they will go to Pakistan and bring what they need to bring."

    Since 2009, when King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia warned visiting US special envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross that if Iran crossed the threshold, "we will get nuclear weapons", the kingdom has sent the Americans numerous signals of its intentions.

    Gary Samore, until March 2013 President Barack Obama's counter-proliferation adviser, has told Newsnight:

    The story of Saudi Arabia's project - including the acquisition of missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads over long ranges - goes back decades.

    In the late 1980s they secretly bought dozens of CSS-2 ballistic missiles from China.

    These rockets, considered by many experts too inaccurate for use as conventional weapons, were deployed 20 years ago.

    This summer experts at defence publishers IHS Jane's reported the completion of a new Saudi CSS-2 base with missile launch rails aligned with Israel and Iran.

    It has also been clear for many years that Saudi Arabia has given generous financial assistance to Pakistan's defence sector, including, western experts allege, to its missile and nuclear labs.

    Visits by the then Saudi defence minister Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz al Saud to the Pakistani nuclear research centre in 1999 and 2002 underlined the closeness of the defence relationship.

    BBC News - Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan

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  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Guess where I was posted in Iraq for 12 of my 15 month deployment?

    On the other side of the berm from this destroyed nuclear reactor. Yup.
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  14. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    And you had so much fun, and the tan worked out great ehh o_O
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  15. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    On a side note that explains why you glow in the dark like a faded chem light....
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  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Yup. The entire BN medical files were "lost" upon transit back to duty station. Who would have thought "yellow cake" would throw up a red flag?
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  17. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Except that reactor was never fueled, so no radiation... Duh....
  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Well, then maybe I have the wrong reactor, because the yellow cake part was real. Duh. ;)
  19. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Could be, but the Israelis bombed it, before the core was loaded, so that there would be no radiation release, during or after the attack. That was the FACT, that precipitated the timing of the attack. .....
  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Well, I do know the particular reactor I am referring to was bombed on at least two separate occasions. Maybe you know something of this?
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