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OMG... Ammo shortage is effecting the LEO Establishment...

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by BTPost, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    ohno ohno ohno

    Police Departments Beg And Barter For Ammo While DHS Buys Up 1.6 Billion Rounds In Past Year
    March 22, 2013

    By Gregory Gwyn-Williams, Jr.
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    The nationwide shortage of ammunition has left many police departments scrambling to get their hands on the necessary rounds - with some even bartering among each other.
    Meanwhile, Rep. Timothy Huelskamp (R-Kansas) says the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has failed to respond to multiple members of Congress asking why DHS bought more than 1.6 billion rounds in the past year.
    Police Chief Cameron Arthur of Jenks, Oklahoma says, "Ammunition and assault weapons in general have skyrocketed...In addition to the fact, not only is it a lot more expensive, but the time to get it could be six months to a year, or in some cases even longer."
    Arthur says he is waiting on an order placed last October and that many departments have begun to trade and barter with each other because of the high demand.
    "Most police departments are having a very difficult time even getting the necessary ammunition for handguns, shotguns and especially rifles," Arthur said.
    "With the delay in ammunition, some departments are limiting the number of rounds they carry in their handgun because of the shortage of ammunition. We get to the point where it is difficult to have enough ammo to train and also equip the officers."
    Chief Pryor of Rollingwood, Texas says of the shortage:
    "We started making phone calls and realized there is a waiting list up to a year. We have to limit the amount of times we go and train because we want to keep an adequate stock."
    "Nobody can get us ammunition at this point," says Sgt. Jason LaCross of the Bozeman, Montana police department.
    LaCross says that manufacturers are so far behind that they won't even give him a quote for an order.
    "We have no estimated time on when it will even be available," LaCross says.
    He worries that when ammunition is finally available the high price will squeeze the department's budget.
    "The other options are to reduce the amount of training and things like that," he said.
    The Hamilton County Sheriff's Department has also cut down on firearm training due to the high cost and low supply of ammunition.
    "The concern over firearms availability and ammunition availability and potentials of gun control certainly has impacted the availability of ammunition purchased locally," Sgt. Jody Mays says.
    He says the department has cut a third of their normal in service firearm training:
    "It's forced us...to use ammunition more economically."
    Police Chief John Mabry in Marinette, Wisconsin says, "Ammo is expensive and lot tougher to get. People don't have it in stock and it's back-ordered."
    His colleague, Menominee Chief, Brett Botbyl agrees: "We're looking at a four to nine-month wait."
    Some departments have even applied for grants to pay for the high-priced ammunition.
    "The Florence Police Department is looking for some help filling its clips," reports Cincinnati.com
    Chief Tom Szurlinski says the grant would go a long way given the price and limited supply of ammunition.

    For all those Police Chiefs, that are on RECORD as Pro Gun Grab......[violin]
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  2. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    They are just looking for an ammo hand-out from the .gov, which they will probably get, if they agree to further concessions to be on call as the national police force. These police departments will be [own2].
  3. Beano

    Beano Monkey

    The 1.6 mill figure for DHS was found to be false (and of course, I can't find the darn document I read over---in short, it was a memo or something and there was some confusion with units of packaging; the actual number came out to like 900k, which is still an obscene amount of ammo).....but this makes me rethink that maybe it wasn't false. If a police department in Bozeman, Montana is shortchanged, that is very telling.
  4. 9h0s7

    9h0s7 Monkey

    Perhaps if officers weren't unleashing 4 dozen rounds on a single person to hit the target twice they wouldn't be in this problem.
    They should learn not to need to resort to deadly force and when needed how to conserve ammo.
    Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
  5. Beano

    Beano Monkey

    The amount expended on that Dorner guy in Kalifornia was ridiculous. Great point.
  6. 9h0s7

    9h0s7 Monkey

    Yeah, kinda trippy how bad they wanted him dead.

    Cops killing cops, what's next.
  7. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Your information is totally incorrect, as I have spoken with many of the supplies that are filling that order and have seen the FOB.gov solicitations myself. The missinformation you are speaking of was a dodge to the MSNBC asked in a manner that could avoid a direct answer.
  8. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    1.6 Billion with a B. Not million.
    if you look at the solicitation requests put out by the various departments, 1 unit is 1000 rounds of ammunition. So when they want 200 168gr hollow point .308 match rounds they are requesting 200,000 of them.
  9. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    Ammo shortage for the PO-PO ?

    Dogs everywhere breath a sigh of relief.
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  10. helmetmike

    helmetmike Monkey+

    Perhaps it is all part of Barry's plan. Let local LE run out of ammo and then Barry's DHS steps in and provides LE in their place. Presto, Barry's instant police state. Man I have got to open a window when I'm glueing wood together. or maybe not...........
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  11. Donldson

    Donldson Monkey+

    I will take it a step crazier Mike. Local LE can't get ammo, fed steps in and declares Eminent domain and purchases every single round that comes out of the factories or off the boats. Turn around and offer to sell it to LE based on "need". In a complete coincidence the departments that cooperate most will be the ones who need the most ammo.

    So no ammo for civilians and more cooperation from local LE. Guess I should open a window when I am using that big marker to scratch out my bracket...
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  12. Beano

    Beano Monkey

    ="VisuTrac, post: 260967, member: 3466"]1.6 Billion with a B. Not million.
    if you look at the solicitation requests put out by the various departments, 1 unit is 1000 rounds of ammunition. So when they want 200 168gr hollow point .308 match rounds they are requesting 200,000 of them.[/quote]
    That's what I meant....900 mill vs. 1.6 bill
  13. Beano

    Beano Monkey

    I agree.....I got the numbers wrong also....I was in the middle of a friday workday and was way off.....and now I am on the heels of a whole bottle of cava, which, in mental acuity, is about the same.
  14. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator Site Supporter++

    This is so true. Increasingly we see headlines like this and the public just doesn't seem to care.
    Miami Police Shoot 22 Year Old 100 Times, By-standers Claim Cover-up [VIDEO]

    This guy did threaten to shoot the police but they shot him 90 times????
    Case of man shot at 90 times on freeway 'tragic,' LAPD says - latimes.com

    And in Michigan they need more ammo to take care of the mental illness problem. 46 shots to take down a mentally ill guy with a knife.
    WATCH: Police gun down Michigan man with 46 shots in 5 seconds - NY Daily News
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  15. fedorthedog

    fedorthedog Monkey++

    Average police gun fight 7 to 10 feet 3 rounds fire 1 hit. Most of our ammo is used for training and qualification. There comes a point we stop doing that to make sure we have emergency supplies. My last order the 5.56 was back ordered 6 months on the state bid. 40 was 4 months out and 45 4-6 months. That was a month ago.
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