One reason to carry Chambered

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by AmericanRedoubt1776, Aug 17, 2014.


  1. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Oregon-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    Below is a video of a grocery store robber in Wisconsin that was engaged by a rookie CCW holder.

    It is a 4 minute video that shows various angles of what happened. Some key observations below, but watch it first:



    NOTE ADDED FOR CLARIFICATION: This post is not intended to promote the CCW's decision making. There are other options he could have taken. This post is only to discuss unchambered weapons for CCW holders, based upon a real life situation, supported by video footage and pictures.

    After watching the video, one of the first thoughts that came to mind was: Why did the CCW engage the robber when the robber was already leaving and the threat appeared to be ending?

    If you watch the video closely, you'll notice that the CCW actually attempted to engage much earlier. He tried to engage before robber was leaving the store, and in fact, while robber had his sawed-off shotgun trained squarely at the clerk and other customers.

    CCW, however, was not carrying Chambered, and so his gun didn't go off when he tried to engage the target the first time.

    It's only after having chambered the weapon, which happened to be right at the time the robber was beginning to leave and spotted CCW, that CCW was successful in engaging the target.

    Here's a summary:

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    Thoughts: This could have been a fatal situation for CCW had things happened differently... had he been even just one step ahead in his spot in line at the open cash register when robber came in, he would not have had the opportunity to retreat like he did, and instead be face to face with assailant.

    If CCW decided to engage him face to face, CCW would have almost certainly been shot. He would have forgotten to chamber before engaging. The fact that robber's weapon was a sawed off shotgun, it would not have been pretty.

    Watching a lot of videos of actual CCW to learn a thing or two about live engagements, and this one sticks out as a validation that the pro's are right - there is a very good reason to carry chambered.

    CCW had all the time in the world to chamber his weapon the first time he engaged the assailant, but maybe in the heat of the moment, he forgot. Luckily, only the robber was hurt.

    Some notes on the story:

    - CCW was one of the earliest people to get a license in Wisconsin, within 2 months of favorable changes to Wisconsin's CCW rules.

    - Robber was shot twice in the legs and grazed in the head- The robber had no prior criminal or violent history. He was a college student who lost his job and took to robbery to make money.

    - Although CCW is cleared of any wrongdoing, he has filed a lawsuit to retrieve his weapon which was kept in evidence for a very long time (over 1 year).

    - CCW is now a vocal gun rights advocate

    Fair Use Source: One reason to carry Chambered - Calguns.net
     
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  2. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    Preface: I'm no badass, and one thing I've learned in life as a large man is when TSHTF bad guys don't come at you one on one.

    It'll be two, three or four and I'm just too old to take a beating.
    A pistol with an unchambered round is a very short and ineffective club. [eek3]

    I learned how to shoot a handgun a long time ago courtesy of Uncle Sam's Canoe Club, and that was the Colt 1911A1. I practice with it every week even if it's only dry fire. (With snap caps.) Draw from concealment, presentation "quick flash" sight picture and trigger press. I strongly encourage anyone who carries to become intimately familiar with the self defense laws of their place of residence as well as the instructions the local judge will give to the jury prior to deliberations and remember;

    Deadly force is always the last resort, even in stand your ground states.

    No reason to carry without one in the chamber.
     
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  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The only way I could see running bare chamber is to have a Makarov type sidearm with a spetsnaz commando style holster so it auto loads as you draw it out. Oh yeah...lol

     
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  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I'm always chambered. Can't imagine carrying without being ready to fire.
     
  5. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Monkey

    Lucky, that with that much target area that he didn't catch one!! The perp was not very observant and the CCW didn't look for other accomplices. Dangerous to say the least. I always have one in the pipe!!
     
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  6. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    If you are carrying a firearm... why would you not be ready to engage....condition 1 is the only way to fly... the guy is lucky he or another innocent were not shot with his dumb move. There is absolutely no reason to carry without one in the pipe.... unless you are not comfortable or trained well enough.... in that case... maybe you should put it in the case until you have had some professional training on how to be prepared for engagement...... IMO.
     
  7. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    If you carry a revolver you never have this type of issue... ;)
     
  8. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Always carry with one in the chamber and ready to rock. Years ago I used to sleep with a glock under my pillow and had an empty chamber for obvious reasons!
     
  9. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    I had a friend sleep with one under his pillow.... one night he squeezed a round off.... and pulled a bullet out of the neighbors house the next day...... he was lucky...
     
  10. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Momma's Dan Wesson WheelGun lives on top of the Fridge... It is ALWAYS Ready.... My Browning HiPower lives in the Shoulder Rig, in my Office, hanging on a Hook. It has an Empty Pipe. If I need it, I can Rack the Slide, as it comes out of the Rig.... The Winchester Stainless Shotgun, lives on Pegs above the Front Door, It has a #7 LowBase in the Pipe, and 7 rounds of 00Buck, and Slugs, alternating, thru the rest of the Stack. Good enough for US..... When I am CCW, the Browning, it has a JHP "In the Pipe" and twelve of his Buddies, in the Stack, with the Hammer Down. I can thumb the Hammer, as it leaves the Rig. Well Practiced Move.....
     
  11. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Very lucky!
     
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  12. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Yes...imagine he answered the phone in his sleep....:eek:
     
  13. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Had the perp been watching he would have had a big load of pellets in his chest.
     
  14. Wheelsucker

    Wheelsucker Out of Airspeed, Altitude & Ideas

    Broker, that's hilarious. Can't imagine Russians actually used that, as backwards as they can be. There seems to be a common theme among products marketed with the word Spetznaz. Spetznaz = Full retard. No cover over trigger guard? Oh, you don't need the trigger covered because it's not chambered. So you have to clear it before re-holstering? What prevents holstering a chambered gun? The list goes on but, hey, it said Spetznaz on the box.
     
  15. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    LOL yeah, there's a better version which clamps the gun and you pull down and straight out all the way down and it loads a round as you pull it. The one in the video I linked only showed the one where you push down and then draw back up. Spetsnaz are expendable, they don't mind getting hurt, lol
     
  16. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Oregon-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    Map: Where Is ‘Open Carry’ Legal? Map: Where Is ‘Open Carry’ Legal? - The Numbers - WSJ

    As usual, the American Redoubt shines:
    open carry - where is it legal 01.
    open carry - where is it legal 02.
    In a Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012 photo, Rick Ector carries his Smith and Wesson 9mm as he prepares to pump gas in Detroit. Ector is pushing to make Detroit an “open carry” city and organizes public dinners and picnics where each legally licensed attendee wears a handgun. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

    Open carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    right-to-carry-concealed-weapons-animated-states.

    US_State_Concealed_Carry.
    Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Open_Carry_of_a_9mm_Browning_Hi_Power_in_Eagle,_Colorado.

    A few more web sites I’d like to recommend dealing with concealed carry:

    www.USACarry.com
    www.CarryConcealed.net
    Applying For a Non-Resident Concealed Carry Weapons Permit/License, by Sgt. Survival - SurvivalBlog.com
     
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  17. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Oregon-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    The leftist gun-grabbers are at it again in Washington State, funded by the biggest 3 billionaires from Microsoft --- which is not as safe from the socialist anti-rights activists as the more conservative parts of the American Redoubt (Idaho-Wyoming-Montana): Podcast Episode 11-2014: ISIS, Little tyrannies & is this the apocalypse? | Charles Carroll Society - Podcast (discussion starts at 36 mins, 50 seconds on the MP3 file) on this topic for those in Washington.

    Billionaires and millionaires are giving hundreds of thousands of dollars in support of Washington state's Initiative 594 -- a gun control initiative expanding background checks.

    "The initiative will go before voters in November.

    According to KING 5, Initiative 594 would "require background checks for all gun sales and transfers in Washington state." This expansion would end private gun sales, requiring all sales to be treated like retail sales and all buyers to go through the same checks Elliot Rodger (Santa Barbara gunman), Ivan Lopez (2014 Fort Hood gunman), Paul Ciancia (LAX gunman), Aaron Alexis (DC Navy Yard gunman), and Nidal Hasan (2009 Fort Hood Gunman), went through to purchase their guns.

    The exception would be made for "gifts within a family and antiques."

    To date, billionaires and millionaires have given $3.4 million in support of the gun control initiative. These supporters include Steve and Connie Ballmer ($580,000), Nick and Lenore Hanauer ($490,000), and Bill and Melinda Gates ($50,000), among others."

    Fair Use Source: Billionaires, Millionaires 'Pouring Money' into Washington State Gun Control Initiative
    Gun-grabbers new legislation in Washington State, funded by 3 Microsoft Billionaires - Calguns.net
     
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