Hi all, I've been lurking about the forums here for a couple days now, feeling things out like a blind man at an orgy so to speak. And the thing I like about this place is the wide variety of views and opinions here, debate sharpens the mind and provokes thought. So bottom line up front. I've recently acquired a Marlin 336 in 30-30. To me, it's the ultimate survival gun. It's a manual action first of all. No gas system to gum up or jam. It's lighter than most other fully loaded systems available. After this we will have two major arguments; accuracy at range (ballistics), and magazine capacity. As others have articulated their arguments for the various systems, so I will only mention my opinions on the Marlin 30-30. Ballistics first: location location location. I live on the eastern seaboard. While hunting in most wooded locations, one is rarely afforded a shot of more than 100 to 150 yards. As far as SHTF situations, if you are fighting in an urban environment or any type of cover, you probably won't be taking shots of more than 150 yards anyway in the interest of ammunition conversation. Magazine capacity: while the lever guns do have a limited capacity; most situations I have been in or can imagine, less than 3 or 4 shots was adequate to resolve it. I understand the SHTF application of having a higher capacity, however in a survival situation I am going to try to GTFO of there as rapidly as possible. Putting a single round on target into a bad guys leg is going to definitely slow that guy down, while his screams of pain will certainly give his compadres pause to consider the benefit in chasing such a dangerous prey. Simply put. A black rifle or AK, is a great tool for soldiers engaged in sustained combat with a well established resupply apparatus, and a .300 winmag with a floating barrel and a 1500 dollar stock is an awesome tool in the hand of a trained sniper with spotter in an environment where you can see a mile in a straight line. For the average joe by himself trying to get along in the woods of NC and provide for his loved ones, I can't see picking an AR over a rifle caliber lever gun. Thoughts and debate are welcome!!!