Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Tango3, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  3. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  4. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Last I heard it was in the comment period, I doubt it ever makes it to regulation.
  5. lehcpa

    lehcpa Just a Bean Counter

    Let's hope it never makes it. I worked in steel fabrication/construction a few years back and they are among the worst two work with. When they visit you it's not a matter of if you will be fined; it's a matter of how much.
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    various groups "sympathetic" to gun causes are asking folks to write in to extend the discussion deadline from 12 July.I can't see it coming law because the impact in lost dollars should be fairly easy to quantify. For bean counter types..but its a scary idea..( you can bear all the arms you want, powder and ball is $50 a pop).
  7. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    The Big Brass at OSHA can't be so stupid as to think they could pull this crap and get off unscathed . . . ? :mad:
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    They are Federal employees. Care to reconsider that idea? [beat]
  9. Mortis

    Mortis Snake Eater

    You have that right ghrit..... Bureaucrats are far more dangerous then even the elected turkeys in Washington.
  10. poacher

    poacher Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I'm working my way thru this proposed change. Good Lord I'm wearing out my big #2 pencil and I'm on my second Big Chief tablet of notes. I can only guess what it will be like when I'm half way thru it.
    Right now I'm still on the proposed changes in the blasting agents. But they have mentioned standardizing to DOT regs in some cases which are U.N. approved regs and labeling.
    This could get intresting.
    Take care Be safe Poacher.
  11. duanet

    duanet Monkey+++

    Don't know about firearms, but I had a blasting lisence for 20 years and haven't bothered to renew it or use it for 15-20 years. The requirements for a "magazine" and the paperwork are beyond my ability as an individual, then the handleing requirements, two vechicles with 2 drivers, almost impossible to buy the powder you need to use and God don't even mention the lawyers and insurance. Yes you can buy it and use it in authorized projects, but it isn't at all practicle to do it. It will cost less to hire a major company to do it than file the permits, get the powder, get the insurance, return the powder you didn't use and find a place to store it. Then I can guess that you are investigated by a half dozen agencies. I quit about the time they blew up stuff in the 80s and all the regulations came in. I have no doubt that they could do the same with ammunition. Have to have an approved storage place and no more than a massive 50 rounds of ammo without a class "X" permit and of course steel core, tracer or ammo made before the year 20XX has to be turned in as it may not be safe and we will evaluate it on an individual basis. The bill is another threat to effective firearms and the attempt to disarm all but the "proper authorities". God I hate being parinoid, but I hate it even more when they keep doing things that reinforce my paranoia.
  12. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    "God I hate being parinoid, but I hate it even
    more when they keep doing things that reinforce my paranoia."

    Man , you called that one right Duanet!! Every time I take a break from the doomer stuff and my blood pressure returns to near normal surreal crap like this pops up in (even) the mainstream media...
  13. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    My store was closed today, but I'll be there tommorrow to get supplies. Oh boy, they are surrounding the 2nd, again. Already know explosion proof standards.
  14. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

    Clowns at OSHA think a Dem will be elected to the White House, they are positioning the agency, and trying to get noticed.
  15. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    If I was a gambling man, I'd put money on OSHA implementing additional regulations on transporting ammunition.
  16. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Don't hold your breath too long...

    A perfect example of not caring about the financial impact to industry was when OSHA and the EPA started regulating asbestos. It created an entire new industry that cost building owners, contractors and the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. They don't care what the cost is to industry when it comes to protecting workers from hazards or potential hazards. OSHA is a necessary agency because some contractors and business owners could care less about worker safety when it interfers with profits, unfortunately sometimes OSHA goes over the top with worker safety.
  17. duanet

    duanet Monkey+++

    Sounds like a good plan. Do away with gun shows, then private sales, all sales must go through a registered dealer and be approved by BATF, Then in order to "trace" guns used in crimes, all guns must be registered. Then do away with shipping of ammo through any common carrier or make it so hard to do that it it isn't practical, then make the dealers keep a log of who and how much ammo you buy and of course the components used to make ammo are now class XX explosives and in order to "prevent" terrorists from getting them, they must be registered and stored in a secure magazine. Then in order to "protect" the fireman limit the amount of ammo you can store to 50 rounds maximum and that must be stored in its origonal container. They did it with dynimite already. Then like the states with the "carry" permit, they spend 6 months doing a background check, charge big bucks and half the police agencies in the state have a file on you with your picture and fingerprints and a "flag" on the computer that if 911 calls them, this individual is "dangerous". Hate to be parinoid but half the mayors and papers in the country are already calling for these things. This system works like a charm. Hitler used it in Germany, most of it is in place in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and of course dear old England. Not an expert but do a search on gun and ammo regulations in the rest of the world and even the NEW World Order looks like a kind sort of system. You still have all of the 2 nd amendment rights on paper but the Kommunist states, Mass, Calif, parts of New York etc make it all meaningless. We will let you have one bolt action hunting rifle with a max capability of 3 rounds and a max caliber of .40, and in the interest of public safety, you may only check it out of the "public" arms storage area during hunting season and must state where and when it will be used and return it to safe storage facility each night. Pistols and semiauto are of course outlawed as unnecessaary and dangerous. It all seems so logical when the left is saying all we want is some limited controls and nothing above, except storage, by itself seems to limit your rights. Just when all the factors are in place, all your freedoms are gone. In many states now you can be detained and questioned by the police if you don't have a picture ID on you. You have to prove that you are not guilty of any crime and they can hold you while they check on you. Public safety you know. This probably should be in the Tinfoil hat area, but all of the above factors of gun control appear in the Boston Globe newspaper and the local TV news at night.

    The latest news on one of our local gun clubs, in Hollis NH, is that they still can not use it. Been to the state supreme court several times, had gun friendly legislature pass laws in favor of the club, and worked with town as to establish times and limits of operation. None of that satisifies the idots who move up from Mass and bought a new house built next to a 50 plus year old club and want it shut down. A box of 24 shotgun shells contains 24 times 1 and 1/4 ounces of lead. That is 30 ounces and only God knows how many tons have been fired in the trap and skeet areas alone. They the buried the old shell casings and of course a lot of the old ones had mecury in the expended primers and guess what? In the 1940s through I don't know when a lot of the skeet and trap targets had either deliberatly or as part of the clay and such asbestous in them. Now they are saying that it all may contaminate the water and of course the wetlands. And of course they picked an area with a lot of wetlands when they built the club as inexpensive buffer area around the various fireing ranges. Thus even if the state approves, they may make the club go through a whole new federal permits etc to reopen. Again it all seems to be so logical when you look at one step. The end result is that even in the "Live Free of Die" state, you are rapidly losing your rights to some faceless bureacarat and a bunch of slimy lawyers.

    So next time you go to your favorite gun shop or firing range, check on the selection of tin foil hats that they have in stock.
  18. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Monday, July 16, 2007

    The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) announced it will significantly revise a recent proposal for new “explosives safety” regulations that caused serious concern among gun owners. OSHA had originally set out to update workplace safety regulations, but the proposed rules included restrictions that very few gun shops, sporting goods stores, shippers, or ammunition dealers could comply with.

    Gun owners had filed a blizzard of negative comments urged by the NRA, and just a week ago, OSHA had already issued one extension for its public comment period at the request of the National Shooting Sports Foundation. After continued publicity through NRA alerts and the outdoor media, and after dozens of Members of Congress expressed concern about its impact, OSHA has wisely decided to go back to the drawing board.

    Working with the NRA, Congressman Denny Rehberg (R-MT) planned to offer a floor amendment to the Labor-HHS appropriations bill this Wednesday when the House considers this legislation. His amendment would have prohibited federal funds from being used to enforce this OSHA regulation.

    Such an amendment is no longer necessary since Kristine A. Iverson, the Labor Department’s Assistant Secretary for Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs, sent Rep. Rehberg a letter, dated July 16, stating that it “was never the intention of OSHA to block the sale, transportation, or storage of small arms ammunition, and OSHA is taking prompt action to revise” this proposed rule to clarify the purpose of the regulation.

    Also, working with the NRA, Congressman Doug Lamborn (R-CO) gathered signatures from 25 House colleagues for a letter, dated July 11, expressing concerns about this proposed OSHA rule. The letter calling the proposal “an undue burden on a single industry where facts do not support the need outlined by this proposed rule” and “not feasible, making it realistically impossible for companies to comply with its tenets.”

    The OSHA proposal would have defined “explosives” to include “black powder, … small arms ammunition, small arms ammunition primers, [and] smokeless propellant,” and treated these items the same as the most volatile high explosives.

    Under the proposed rule, a workplace that contained even a handful of small arms cartridges, for any reason, would have been considered a “facility containing explosives” and therefore subject to many impractical restrictions. For example, no one could carry “firearms, ammunition, or similar articles in facilities containing explosives … except as required for work duties.” Obviously, this rule would make it impossible to operate any kind of gun store, firing range, or gunsmith shop.

    The public comment website for the proposed rule is no longer accessible. The Labor Department will publish a notice in the July 17 Federal Register announcing that a new rule proposal will soon be drafted for public comment. Needless to say, the NRA monitors proposed federal regulations to head off this kind of overreach, and will be alert for OSHA’s next draft.
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