Osama Bin Ladin

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  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    The Fake bin Laden Video Tape
    <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=7 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD>A videotape purportedly showing Osama bin Laden confessing to the 9/11 attacks was made public on December 13, 2001:
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#000000 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>The tape bore a label indicating it was made on November 9. Administration officials wouldn't reveal exactly how or when they got it, except to say it was found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. [Online NewsHour]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​
    The videotape was supposedly physically located.
    <TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=7 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD>The size of a standard VHS videotape is 7.5 inches wide by 4.2 inches deep by 1 inch high - if you look in a video cabinet you'll see they're not very big. The satellite photograph on the right shows Jalalabad - it is very big and it contains a lot of buildings (not all single storey). Don't you find it somewhat fortuitous that a very small video tape of Osama confessing to the 9/11 attacks was found in this very big city? Were squads of video watchers sent in to view every tape found just in case one showed Osama confessing?
    Here's what was said of the "lucky find":
    Satellite photo of Jalalabad.
    Population ~150,000
    Click for full sized image

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    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#000000 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>"For those who see this tape, they'll realise that not only is he guilty of incredible murder, he has no conscience and no soul, that he represents the worst of civilisation," said President George W Bush. US Senator Ron Wyden, who has also seen the tape, says he hopes it will remove suspicions in countries such as Pakistan that the 11 September attacks were an Israeli plot aimed at drawing the US into a war with Islamic countries. [BBC News]
    The video was very effective in diverting media attention away from the deportation of five Israelis who danced as the twin towers burned - "Osama" certainly picks his moments to appear.
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    Details of the videotape - includes full video and transcript.​
    <DL><DT>A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative". Bin Laden even praised two live 'hijackers' - Wail M. Alshehri and Salem Alhazmi. Why didn't he know the names of hijackers he personally chose? </DT>
    The quality of the video was very poor and the authenticity of the tape was questioned. This annoyed President Bush:
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#000000 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>"It is preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored," he said during a brief photo opportunity with the prime minister of Thailand. "That's just a feeble excuse to provide weak support for an incredibly evil man." [CNN]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​
    To be perfectly honest it is preposterous to suggest this videotape could be authentic, but lets have a look at it anyway. Here's 5 Osamas - which is the odd one out?
    Even Mr Magoo would have to say that Osama 'E' stands out like a sore thumb, and this is the man confessing on the "lucky find" tape. Between the nose and the cheeks it is clear that this man is NOT Osama.
    In the video Osama 'E' appears to write notes with his right hand, yet the FBI's description of Osama indicates he is left-handed. Osama 'E' wears a ring on his right hand which does not appear on other confirmed photos of Osama (e.g. Osama 'B'). Another man is seen wearing a large gold ring in the video. Since the wearing of gold rings is forbidden by Islam it shows neither he nor Osama 'E' has any devotion to this faith.
    On December 27, 2001, a second video containing the pale skinned and very real Osama 'C' was broadcast on al Jazeera.
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>The "Gaunt Tape," so named because bin Laden is haggard and doesn't move his left arm, is believed to have been recorded around Nov. 19, 2001. In the tape, bin Laden refers to the U.S. bombing of a mosque in Khost "several days" earlier. The U.S. bombed a mosque in Khost on Nov. 16. Bin Laden does not move his left arm and his appearance is both gaunt and pale. [MSNBC]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​
    So, this tape was made around ten days after the "lucky find" tape was reportedly made. Are we to believe that Osama's skin, hair and beard changed color in ten days?
    The broadcast of the tape caught the US government completely off-guard:
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration ... as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead. "He could have made the video and then ordered that it be released in the event of his death," said one White House aide. [Telegraph]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​
    This was a very telling response.
    Also, his comments caused quite a stir because because they contradicted the "confession" video:
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>American officials argued that bin Laden's frequent references to US support for Israel were a bogus justification for his terrorism because in the "dinner party" tape of a private conversation there was no mention of the Middle East. [Telegraph]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​
    This is very odd indeed because in bin Laden's September 28, 2001 denial of involvement in the 9/11 attacks he had plenty to say about the US and Israel:
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word. [Public Action] And his views were the same in 1998:
    "We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests, not the interests of the Jews." [American Free Press]
    Not only do the real Osama and the "lucky find" Osama look totally different, they also write with different hands and have different faiths and priorities.
    It does not get any more obvious than this.
    There is clearly good reason to doubt the November 9 tape. There is excessive noise on the audio track, making it impossible to really hear what is being said. Given that the tape was recorded in an area supposedly devoid of audio urban signature, there should have been little ambient noise, yet the speech is masked with a great deal of noise.
    But there are very good reasons to suspect that the tape is not what the US Government claims it to be. In the tape, Osama supposedly states that he knew of the attack on the WTC 5 days in advance, yet we know from the preparations inside the United States that the plan had been in existence for much longer than that. The records of those flight schools where the hijackers supposedly trained have been confiscated under the watchful eye of Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida and brother to the President. Will the Bush administration now claim that the hijackers learned to fly a passenger jet in just 5 days?
    Likewise, The translation of the Osama tape has him stating that the hijackers did not know they were about to die, yet letters the FBI claim to have found written by the hijackers indicate the exact opposite.
    Finally, this was not the first video tape claiming to show Osama confessing, and claims made in the earlier "confession" tape, including a claim that Osama had nukes, were created by the translator, not actually stated by Osama.
    This never-to-be-seen video also appeared right on cue:
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>Emergency powers to imprison suspected international terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be announced this week. The measure, which will require exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the reach of existing laws. [Telegraph 11/11/2001]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​
    Even hard line secular Pakistanis were unconvinced by the released bin Laden video tape. Iqbal Haider, a former senator from the party of ousted prime minister Benazir Bhutto, said he found it hard to believe that bin Laden would allow himself to be filmed confessing to the crime. "It is hard to believe that a man who masterminds the September attacks with such secrecy and finesse could be that stupid and imprudent," he said. "I hate Osama and the Taliban because they inflicted incalculable damage on Muslims ... but it is hard to digest that he can be such a fool."
    <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” ... The Muckraker Report attempted to secure a reference to the U.S. government authenticating the Bin Laden “confession video”, to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and U.S. Congress, along with the dead stream media, played the video as if it was authentic. So why doesn’t the FBI view the “confession video” as hard evidence? [Muckraker Report]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>​
    You are being lied to by the US Government. They are using deception to trick you into surrendering your freedoms, money, and the lives of your children for a phony "War On Terror".

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  2. Infidel

    Infidel Guest

    Let us all quietly ignore this because questioning the government would be unpatriotic
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Rot. Garbage MUST be questioned, loudly and with vigor. That article is full of BS right to the plimsol. Distrust the government all you want, but question all those that question it as well. Both side have the right to say what they will, but "My Country, right or wrong" is still true. That whole article begs for something substantive beside a possibly photoshopped set of pictures.:mad:
  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I truly don't know, but I have come to absolutely question anything the Bush League puts out. It is all timed too coincidently like this sudden drop in gas prices just before the November elections. I do recall thinking the last couple of Bin Laden tapes looked more like papa Smurf than a terrorist, but what do I know? I remember wondering when he changed into a negro, as well? From day one, I have believed that the whole Bin Laden thing was a bone thrown to us and still do. I don't mind fighting a war for Halliburton if I can have cheaper gasoline but loosing our heritage to the Boogeyman is getting a little stale. As for questioning the questioners, I agree but they seem to be the only ones getting questioned by most.
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