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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by fritz_monroe, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. fritz_monroe

    fritz_monroe Monkey+++

    I'm wondering if anyone else is concerned about the current issues in Pakistan. This has me very worried. My biggest worry is that Pakistan will fall into civil war. Pakistan has about 160 nukes, and what happens to them in the event of civil war? What if India sees it as a huge threat to have an unstable Pakistan having nukes? Would India attack?
  2. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    Count me as one of the concerned
  3. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Bhuto will get assinated, military will clamp down and it will be over.
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    bhutto is under house arrest now...You are right to be concerned.
  5. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Why? Like I said, they will assinate her and it will be over, the military will clamp down and it will pass in the night like every other uprising they have. The islamist will make sure of that. Once the blood is washed away, things will go back to the status quo.
  6. fritz_monroe

    fritz_monroe Monkey+++

    I disagree. They may assasinate her, but it won't be over just like that. There will be a lot of fighting in the streets. If it goes on too long, India will feel threatened by the lack of security of their enemy and will step in. At least when Pakistan is stable, India knows what the enemy is thinking.
  7. DesertDawg

    DesertDawg Monkey+++

    Funny thing about Pakistani's! They LOVE and HATE Musharraf at the same time! What we are getting in the news is slanted, for Bhutto only has a "fringe" element of followers. Many Pakistani's can't stand the name of Bhutto, for the entire family is corrupt and nearly destroyed Pakistan when they were in power.

    Want some GOOD news? The Vice Commander of the Pakistani Army is PRO-USA, and has proven it several times. If/when Musharraf removes himself from his military post, Pakistan will most likely be in BETTER shape and more stabile than before! On the other hand, if "democratic" elections are held, there's the possibility of having a fanatic in power! Musharraf is, for all practical intents, finished....but he is still in a position to move the next President "gracefully" transitioned into power.

    Personally, from what I've seen/read, India isn't very worried about future relations with Pakistan. I know a lot of Pakistani's and Indian's, and they all seem to liken Musharraf to being a very adept "juggler". Add to that, India does NOT want to spite the USA, but they're very concerned about Pakistani nukes falling into the hands of fanatical/extremist politicians.
  8. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    Remember who predicted today's events
  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Bet anything that Osama Bin Laden get the blame.
  10. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member


    ABC News: The Blotter

    U.S. Checking al Qaeda Claim of Killing Bhutto

    December 27, 2007 11:47 AM
    Brian Ross, Richard Esposito & R. Schwartz Report:
    [​IMG] While al Qaeda is considered by the U.S. to be a likely suspect in the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Banazir Bhutto, U.S. intelligence officials say they cannot confirm an initial claim of responsibility for the attack, supposedly from an al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan.
    An obscure Italian Web site said Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, al Qaeda's commander in Afghanistan, told its reporter in a phone call, "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahedeen."
    It said the decision to assassinate Bhutto was made by al Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Ayman al Zawahri in October. Before joining Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, Zawahri was imprisoned in Egypt for his role in the assassination of then-Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.

    Bhutto had been outspoken in her opposition to al Qaeda and had criticized the government of President Pervez Musharraf for failing to take strong action against the Islamic terrorists.
    "She openly threatened al Qaeda, and she had American support," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism adviser. "If al Qaeda could try to kill Musharraf twice, it could easily do this," he said.
    Al Qaeda had claimed responsibility for the bomb attack Oct. 18 during Bhutto's homecoming rally that killed 140 people but left the former prime minister uninjured.
    Senior U.S. officials say it will take several days to sort out who was responsible and that it will be "a test of credibility for the Pakistani government."
    U.S. officials monitoring Internet chat rooms known to be used by Islamic militants say several claims of responsibility have been posted, although such postings are notoriously unreliable.
  11. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Surprise, surprise.
  12. Evenglischatiest

    Evenglischatiest Monkey+++

    I don't claim to know who killed Bhutto. But I'd say that the assassination leaves Musharraf with a projected life span roughly equal to that of a new guy in a red shirt on Star Trek. (If he was black, you could bet on him not living through the opening credits [gone])

    Bhutto's people will blame Musharraf regardless. That leaves the muslim hard liners knowing they can kill him, without taking the blame. He really doesn't have too many supporters outside of the army. He's only lived as long as he has because almost everyone sees him as less bad than whichever alternative they hate. Now that the power balance has shifted, both sides have a reason to kill him.

    With Musharraf being about the only thing standing between Al Qaeda and nuclear weapons, things could get really ugly if he's taken out. If I were Bush, I'd be sending a few seal teams over there to protect him, as quietly as possible.
  13. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    A country that has nukes, has a large islamic population that is threatening to go radical, and is in political turmoil on the brink of civil war. Yeah, pakistan is very worrysome. However crude and heavy their nukes are it isn't impossible to load it onto a truck or trucks and assemble it near one of our bases in Afghanistan.

    They onlly need to succeed once in doing that and it escalates the whole islam vs rest of the world to a pitch I don't want to even imagine. We (as everyone else not muslim) are more in number, better armed and equiped. Nothing good however, will come of escalating it to nuclear levels. I don't want to see body counts that large muslim or otherwise.
  14. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Think I read"somewhere" ( searching for link)We'd already done that when Mussharaf declared martial law...
    Still searching...

  15. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    It was easily predictible, she was warned by the islamist, they can't stand a woman who speaks out, so it was easy to say. Matter of fact, I am amazed at how easy it was for a man to walk up to her, shoot her in the neck and then blow a chest rig. Not saying she deserved it, but if you have been warned numerous times like she was and your security is so lacking that someone can walk up to you and do this, then I guess it's nature's way of cleaning the gene pool. I bet she doesn't make the same mistake twice!

    In completely unrelated news, gas prices just jumped $.20 a gallon in the last two hours, go figure.
  16. Canadian-guerilla

    Canadian-guerilla Monkey+++

  17. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    THAT is a body I want to see. I'll take no one's word for it, possibly excepting my sister.
  18. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    You never will, if you were ever shown the body, the American people would no longer support the war on terrorism and the calls for us to pull out of everywhere would become the mantra of politicians. I have said for a long time that he was dead and we were just not being told.
  19. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    No ! bush wouldn't do that to the american people would he ? I mean he is just a regular "aw shucks" guy isn't he ?

    It is a sad state of affairs when we have to be leary of our own government.
  20. fritz_monroe

    fritz_monroe Monkey+++

    I definately agree with you on this one. Even if we did recover a body, it wouldn't be made public unless the Prez had something better on the horizon. I guess that one of bin Ladin's enemy's could end up with it and make it public. The gov would attempt to keep it from going public, but I'm not sure they would be successful doing that.
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