Parental Rights squashed in Canada

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tracy, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    I talk to a lot of parents. Some of them believe that they don't have the right or ability to punish their children for wrong-doings, for fear of legal action against them (they're wrong). Apparently in Canada, their fears have come true.

    To juvenile delinquents of the world: Go North, Young Man.


    A recent court decision in Canada should send chills down every parent's spine. The ruling is so out of bounds that the news story sounds like a parody -- but it isn't. A Canadian judge ruled that a 12-year-old girl was "excessively" punished when her father told her she could not go on a school camping trip because she had broken rules for use of the Internet.​

    As the Globe and Mail newspaper [Toronto] reports (print edition 6/20, page L1) online (posted 6/20 - but you have to pay to read the whole article):​
    "First, the father banned his 12-year-old daughter from going online after she posted photos of herself on a dating site. Then she allegedly had a row with her stepmother, so the father said his girl couldn't go on a school trip.

    "The girl took the matter to the court -- and won what lawyers say was an unprecedented judgment.

    "Madam Justice Suzanne Tessier of the Quebec Superior Court ruled on Friday [June 13] that the father couldn't discipline his daughter by barring her from the school trip."​
    This judge needs to be grounded and sent to her room. A 12-year-old girl violated rules and disobeyed her father. The rules, by the way, were intended to protect the girl from endangering herself on the Internet. In posting pictures of herself on the Internet -- on a dating site, for crying out loud -- she defied her father and his authority. After going to the court, she got away with it.

    For years, we have been warned that the courts were poised to usurp parental authority. We have seen chilling judicial precedents and the encroaching reach of bureaucrats and government agents. Warnings were offered by prophets like Philip Reiff and Christopher Lasch, who saw the family being stripped of its functions and replaced by an army of eager agents. Parents are supplanted by professionals who are "experts" in raising other people's children.

    The Canadian case is among the most chilling yet. The father is appealing the decision, even though the girl has already gone on the camping trip. The family is involved in a difficult divorce situation, but the father was granted custody. Gladly, outrage over the judge's ruling is building in Canada.

    Lorne Gunter of Canada's National Post described the ruling as "sputteringly enraging." The Canadian blogosphere has taken notice, as have parents.

    Gunter drew particular attention to the fact that the girl's attorney [Lucie Fortin] explained that she took the case to court because it involved the school trip: "For me that was really important."

    Gunter responded:​
    "'For me that was really important.' So what? Just who are you? Are you the kid's parent? Are you a relative of any sort? No? So why, then, does your opinion matter? And if it does matter, how is court action appropriate? At most, even if you are a close relative, you are limited to calling up the dad and expressing your view that his punishment is over-the-top.

    "Ms. Fortin insists that while court was a last resort, the situation called for it: 'This was not a question of going to the movies or not, or going online or not -- because obviously, I wouldn't have intervened in that.'

    "Just how is that obvious? It should have been obvious that you don't go to court over missing the camping trip, either, but that doesn't seem to have dawned on Ms. Fortin. She called the trip a rite of passage. What will be the rite next time, a missed sleepover, her first out-of-town volleyball tournament with the school team?"​
    The logic of this ruling is not limited to Canada. In 1970, Hillary Rodham, then a young lawyer (and later Sen. Hillary Clinton), wrote a law review article, "Children Under the Law," in which she argued that minors should be treated as "child citizens" who should, under at least some conditions, be able to challenge their parents in court over parental decisions.

    This father may win his appeal -- we must hope that he does -- but the damage is already done. This 12-year-old girl has defied her father and been rewarded by a secular court. The judge and the court have now become complicit in the girl's disobedience. This father has had his rights as father denied and his authority undermined. We can only imagine the costs of this judicial malpractice in the life of this girl and her family. Beyond this, the precedent is now set for further judicial mischief.

    America's parents had better look north and take notice. This judicial atrocity hits very close to home.​
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    And the poor bugger is the custodial parent? Not so sure I'd want that after court intervention. As much as he must have fought to keep her out of the clutches of what he perceived to be a greater danger with his soon to be ex, I think I might have tossed in the towel and let the court take over. Travesty is too soft a term.
  3. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    You know, up here the great thing is that it can take up to a half hour for the police to show up. Thats plenty of time to give the children a STRONG talking to about who is the parent and who is the child. I was spanked as a child and I agree with its usage. Grounding and other prohibitive measures work. Its about positive reinforcement and negative retribution.
    Thats how I'll raise my children
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    And he's gotta try and raise the little imp til "adult hood"
    Another confirmation of my dread and fear of hillary.
  5. toemag

    toemag Monkey++

    We have pretty much the same same here in €urope, in fact they copy cat each other on most point's.

    I have explained to my kids that if they come for you for some reason, they can have you, now you go have fun in an orphanage or some care home, where they are concerned for your well being while placing you in the hands of people whose job is secured by you being there for them to take care of... I know some people are proud of what they do for a living, others don't really give a shit, its just a job, and some are perverts that have flown below the radar......

    They should think really hard about what they want out of their childhood, I will love and cherish, nourish and protect them until they are old enough to go forth into the world, but if they cause the concerned authorities to become interested in our affairs it's, hey stranger, you didn't leave anything here that would be worth your while coming back for ever again, good bye.

  6. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    I would send her ass to court for an emancipation ruling .Then she could do as she pleased.
  7. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    I'm with all of you.

    What I wonder is: When this child took this case to court, who paid for her attorney?
  8. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    J Q Public
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