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Patriot or Traitor?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Minuteman, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Forwarded to some of the folks, both pro and anti. Worth it, even if all it does is piss them off. At least they will understand better some of what I've said and done.
  3. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Patriot plain and simple, hopefully all peaceful means are exhausted before we cross into that which may lay ahead.
  4. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    No question, no contest: PATRIOT all the way!
  5. Devildog2111

    Devildog2111 Monkey++

    Patriot !!!!
    I know I did not turn in my oath with my 782 gear and I bet most service people will agree that their oath does not expire when you are no longer active. Semper Fi
  6. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

  7. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    +1 !
  8. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."[/SIZE][/FONT]

    This is the one I took 42 years ago .
    I like many of you here didnt leave it behind when I left the Army .
    As far as I'm concerned this oath still holds true for me and many others .
    So they can call me what they feel comfortable with but I know what I am ,

    an AMERICAN down to the marrow of my bones !
  9. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    And no matter how many times I hear " we won"( "we get to do what we want") "get over it!"; I want to remind folks we are not a democracy but a constitutional republic just because the dems are in the white house ; they don't get to change our form of government.[gun][gun]
  10. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

  11. Pauly Walnuts

    Pauly Walnuts Monkey++

    Semper FI Devil Dog, this guy gives me hope and makes me proud.
  12. oregonshooter

    oregonshooter Monkey++

    Has anyone confirmed this is real? A picture of a guy in dress blues with a skeletar mask just does not do it for me.

    Everything he says about the govt. is how it is suppose to be, but I wonder how many in the .mil are aware that confiscating guns from American Citizens is an unlawful order?

    The NG in Katrina didn't seem to mind.

    I'm hopeful that even a minority of service men would demand truth, but I don't see but a handful willing to ask if their commander in chief is even eligible to issue them orders, let alone determine for themselves if they are lawful ones or not.
  13. Pauly Walnuts

    Pauly Walnuts Monkey++

    Org, that's a possibility but do not crush my hopes! please!
  14. oregonshooter

    oregonshooter Monkey++

    Sorry Pauly,

    I'm sure his last name is Puller and will lead his fellow Marines to act in the best interest of the nation when it is needed.

    Didn't mean to "harsh your groove." :)

    "Management is doing things right, leadership is doing the right things."
  15. Pauly Walnuts

    Pauly Walnuts Monkey++

    Whew, much better!!
  16. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Does it matter if he is the real deal or not? The sentiment is valid and well stated. I know current and former military that have said basically the same thing. They just haven't posted it on youtube.
  17. oregonshooter

    oregonshooter Monkey++

    Yes it does matter. Unless the majority of the military know what constitutional rights the people they are suppose to protect are, they will violate them in favor of obeying an order from a superior, i.e. NG in Katrina.

    When I was in the Corps. 25 years ago, I doubt even 10% of my fellow grunts (myself included) would put my neck on the line for a civilian I didn't know verses my LT telling me what to do.

    We are not talking about a My Lai, but confiscating firearms seems pretty easy for military to justify even if its a "soldier safety" reason.

    Its good to see one guy has his brain engaged but like I said, you have SERIOUS reason to doubt the POTUS is not even eligible and there are less than 500 servicemen even willing to ask the question.

    Does not give me a warm fuzzy that the men in uniform are willing to protect my rights over obeying orders.
  18. Pauly Walnuts

    Pauly Walnuts Monkey++

    Would they fire on their mother, brother, aunt, cousin , neighbor etc.... That is the real concern! I talk to guys younger than me in the services and they are pretty locked on. I ask them to talk to their boys and discuss these concerns. The boys coming home from Iraq and Afghan want and deserve to keep their weapons. They have active friends too!
  19. oregonshooter

    oregonshooter Monkey++

    Did they in the first civil war this country had?
  20. Pauly Walnuts

    Pauly Walnuts Monkey++

    Interesting point no doubt, men back then had two different beliefs. I have yet to meet a Military man nor woman who thinks that citizens should not have guns though. Maybe someone needs to post this on a military forum as a question.
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