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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by overbore, Jun 6, 2009.

  1. overbore

    overbore Monkey++

    Pertinent questions: <hr style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> for OhBe One Narobi:

    While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

    What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?

    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? Who paid and who benefited? Once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

    The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, but also they are entitled to and must have full and honest answers, for a welcome change.

    It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A: Yes, by his own admission.

    Q: What passport did he travel under?

    A: There are only three possibilities.

    1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport,

    2. He traveled with a British passport, or

    3. He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

    A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

    Tentative Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

    If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

    Count me in as one of those inquiring minds who'd at least like to know the answers to these easily answered (by Obama) questions.
    This discussion can be resolved by Obama simply by releasing a few complete and original documents.[​IMG]

    Laus Deo

  2. The Expendable

    The Expendable Bread and Circus Master

    Just to play the devil's advocate (I am not a fan of BHO), I read the above posting verbatim at snopes.com, where it was convincingly debunked. Of course, many people would rather believe the conspiracy, and disregard logic and facts.

    I occasionally post stuff on topix.com. Several months ago I stumbled across a thread about UFO abductees and RFID chips being implanted in them. I tried to convince one of the posters that he was not seeing things logically, but he wouldn't listen. After a while I gave up and told him that I, myself, had been implanted. THAT he believed. In fact, I got an email two days ago from someone else reading my posts that wanted to know about my experience of being taken by the "greys".

    People who want to believe conspiracies will believe them, even when they are presented with evidence to the contrary. I'm not saying that cover-ups have not happened (or continue to happen), but more often than not, they are urban myths.
  3. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Expendable care to provide a link where this convincing debunking took place?
    I only found the point in the forum where a forum reply states " bho was a us citizen from the time he left the birth canal of his us citizen mother; no matter where in the world that happened. What completely "u.s. centric" view that is.
    Using that logic every illegal alien (mexican mother) who delivers on us soil is raising a new born mexican citizen on u.s social benefits.

    Sorry; not surprisingly I'm with overbore.
    " what a ridiculous question "; right? It's what we hear and the only defense presented anytime this is brought up ..

    I'm with you overbore ("less filling tastes great":) )
    This is not hard..Nor is it a gray area, either he is or he is not. I get the feeling he is not and that will come forward at the "appropriate time" chosen by his financiers...
  4. The Expendable

    The Expendable Bread and Circus Master

    Tango, I am not one of those people whose only argument is "what a ridiculous question." In fact, I was on board with your side of the argument until recently. However, the state of Hawaii did provide a birth certificate. I know that there are those who question the authenticity of the certificate, but I don't think anyone who doubts the validity of it have actually seen the document first hand. But I will concede that it's possible that it was tampered with or faked entirely. But as you know, it's difficult if not impossible to prove a negative. The state of Hawaii can never prove that they (or others) did not fake it. Here is a link to the Snopes article:


    But for me the most compelling evidence of BHO's US birth is the birth announcements that were printed in both of Hawaii's major newspapers in August, 1961. If this were really a deception, it's a clever one. His birth location would have to have been misrepresented 47 years earlier with the goal of him becoming POTUS one day! Ockham wins this argument in my mind. Here's a link to the birth announcements:


    Just remember, just because he was born a US citizen does not mean he is qualified to be our leader. Just because he was born in Hawaii does not mean that he's not a Socialist. I hate sticking up for the man, but I want to attack him on what he is truly guilty of, not an urban myth.
  5. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    But for me the most compelling evidence of BHO's US birth is the birth announcements that were printed in both of Hawaii's major newspapers in August, 1961. If this were really a deception, it's a clever one. His birth location would have to have been misrepresented 47 years earlier with the goal of him becoming POTUS one day! Ockham wins this argument in my mind. Here's a link to the birth announcement

    Thankyou for taking the time to respond (and educate my shortdsighted grumpy butt) : now that appeals to what's left of my logic side.
  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Technically, all the paper's listings show is that his parent's report having had a child a WEEK before. No location given.
    This does NOT constitute proof - any good second year law student could get it kicked out of court.......
  7. The Expendable

    The Expendable Bread and Circus Master

    I know it's not proof, but it is circumstantial evidence. I also think that this argument is moot. Nothing will be done even if the evidence shows that he was born on Pluto. He is our President now, and that's unlikely to change. The dumb masses have spoken.
  8. The Expendable

    The Expendable Bread and Circus Master

    Besides, I doubt the papers would have printed that there was a son born to BHO's parents in 1961 if it wasn't so. I mean, this conspiracy would have had to have been too well planned out...

    The birth announcements all just showed "son" or "daughter". So there's nothing strange about that. The birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii shows that BHO was born there in 1961.

    Do you really think that in 1961 some leftist socialist group decided that they would put there hand-picked candidate in office in 2008? To do this they would fake two birth announcements and a birth certificate? And that they would choose to give that handpicked leftist socialist the name "Barack Hussein Obama"? And that he should also be half-black, and the son of a African Muslim? Don't you think that a group, in 1961, trying to put someone in the office of the President 47 years later would have picked someone a little more... conventional?

    Even if you believe that the birth certificate was faked, there's no changing the fact that the birth announcements were printed in 1961. This whole conspiracy doesn't make sense to me logically. As I said before, I have lots of other issues with BHO, but the location of his birth is not one of them.
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