No not whatsover Mr. PARANOID apocalyspse LOL. No just joking, IM actually an artist/writer/multimedia producer but that is totally unrelated to this. Hehe. This is my survival retreat project. Starting a Wiki on it I think. Um and no shipping containers arent a joke. Just GOOLE it. You can do want you want to but would you rather live in a junky trailer or a Modern totally self sustaining masterpiece that looks like a LeCorbusier original for about the same price? But everyones got thier own style. But actually though there are lots of alternative OFF GRID housing options out there on the cheap. Build your own green dome BIOdome, Hemp Zeppllins for only $1800, mod out a steel silo on the cheap... But thanks for comments Ill check out that link. Actually considering another state but Illinois veteran so Im considering getting a realtor to ascertain either property to purchase, rent a vacant farmstead, possibly lease hunting land and plop a portable down on that, governmental wilderness land programs for renting, renting already developed retreat area, or parking something against the Shawnee or something surrounded by total desolation and wouldnt have to own all the land around me. Any Info on these topics is appreciated. And I dont know If I need 5 radial miles or 5 square miles. Have to figure out the difference. THanks for the oregon link. I will consider it.