Discussion in 'Survival of the Fittest' started by Swedish woman, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. Swedish woman

    Swedish woman Monkey

    I was wondering of there more people have experiance with longterm bush living and their psychics.
    I'm living now for 18 years in the bush far away from civilisation and it chanced me a lot.
    i come now twiche a year in to civilication, but it's for me more and more a big problem.
    To go there i'ts make me afraid for a those noises people cars and stuff.
    And social acting is also a big problem lots of social things what people says to do i don't recognise any more.
    But living here in the bush with all those animals i recognise the social behaviour trough and trough.
    I recognise on the animals their body language that they are relaxed, angery, sick, afraid or there is danger.
    Now i've made myself traditional arctic clothing from fur pelts and wear this now for 2.5 months 24/7 and smell like a hide
    i recognise that the animals accept me more and more and this accpeting goes faster and faster, and that i learn more and more.
    Psichical i believe that i'm now in a stage that i'm now change/ transitioned and become an animal too.
    Ind i think also that this is no turning back and winthin a vieuw years when there even come humans here out of civilisation,
    That they don't recognise me any more as a human, and discribe me as an animal in all the way
  2. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Interesting observations!
    Here in the U.S. we had a long period of expansion into the Wilds of the western states, and in the immense rocky mountains and the Cascades regions. One had to live off the land, mostly trapping and sustenance living. these people were a lot like you are today, they would only come down to civilization a few times a year to trade firs and such for needful things like gun powder, sugar, coffee and many other things! We call them Mountain Men, and there are still many here that choose that life style! You could research our American Mountain Men and see what they did and how they survived and you might find some good information that can help you along and maybe answer your questions! My bride often refers to me as her Mountain Man, I do tend to live a modern sort of mountain way, I dress in a quasi traditional way, and I hunt, fish, and gather much as my forefathers did, but I also live in the modern world, I drive a Mercedes Benz, I can put on a suit and tie and venture to the big cities and do what I came there to do! It's a very surreal experience, especially for those who really know the Wife and I, outsiders don't know what to think of us, kind of the point!
  3. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    The evolutionary growth of humans is environmental, most mammals are creatures of environment.
    The evolution and its changes has allot to do with Stimuli, POW, and active deployed persons in the military often are environmentally changed for life, often do to the constant threat. However mammals in a calm relaxing setting do not undergo such traumas and can adapt very easily. If you are basing your rare society interaction placing a permanent change in you? I would say that is unlikely. If you are spending more time in the bush as opposed to open society structures then it would be that you are adapting not changing. I would bet if you stayed a year in society it would all become normal as the bush did. We are adaptive creatures seldom is much permanent in our growth,
  4. Merkun

    Merkun furious dreamer

    It has been said that the Mountain Men were anti-social psychopaths that were unable to get along in society as it was known in the early and mid 1800s. That as many were able to operate and sustain themselves from one late summer to the next rendezvous is still something to wonder at. It's worth the observation that not all of them lived alone. Those of us that live in rural and semi-rural areas understand the reluctance to mingle in malls. Jeez, even the supermarkets give me the willies. Yes, I believe that adapting to your environment is good practice, just pick one that suits your temperament, and go there.

    Somebody said "remote locations are cheap insurance."
  5. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Sounds a lot like a Sub Sailor coming off a long patrol.
  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    All I can say is, an attractive woman can wear a blood stained pelt and howl at the moon and I'm still going to be a man who won't be turned off by that one bit. :cool:
    On the flip side, an attractive woman glued to her smart phone and who uses the word 'like' every third word makes me feel nauseous.
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  7. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Feral is what you are describing....
    You are human, but returning to the wild, and comfortable living in the wild away from 'civilisation'...nothing wrong with that at all...a perfectly viable lifestyle option if one accepts some of the limitations as well as the benefits of living it. Many have the romantic notion of doing what you are doing: Few have the fortitude to hack it for very long.
  8. I bet every 'boomer born boy dreamed of escaping to the wilds and living that lifestyle. I know I dreamed of it. (not EVERY boy but a significant percentage)
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  9. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    There are a Helluva lot more people in the city that can only dream about how your living vs people living out in the wilderness that want to return to city life.
    Just keep being yourself, Dont worry about other people who dont help or pay the bills.
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  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Most of us who actually live out in the bush, would just as soon as not, visit “ Civilization” more than once or twice a year... Oh, it is alright if civilization comes out here to visit on occasion, but those folks would NEVER actually really want to live here, and head back after a short while... mostly... Then there are a few, that actually try to live here, but they thin out, the closer to halloween, it gets... We see a few that may make it for a winter, but in 40 years of living out here, only two have actually moved out here, and stayed..
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  11. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Unfortunately the fantasy of living in the wild is quite different than actually living it.
    Even camping every weekend is not the same unless your foraging food in the wild all along.
    Not every where on the planet is conducive to this lifestyle ,and the more crowded with people the worse it is.
    It is man's ability to develop and culture and provide for the lean times that helped him survive .
    I really wish I could do it here, but it is mostly desert ,water had to be brought in not enough rain to sustain life naturally .
  12. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    As you age you realize that Thomas Wolfe in his book, "You can't go home again" describes the alienation we all feel as we age. As a child our family lived off the grid on small farm using horses etc. We had no radio, no TV, no computers and sometimes did not go to town, 6 miles away for weeks in the winter. We and our neighbors had dances at the local 1 room schoolhouse, ball games, picnics, and our local church events, and when a neighbor got hurt, the neighbors ran his farm, put in his crops, cut his wood, milked his cows, and did not expect to be paid. By about 1960 with electric power, tractors, school buses, radio and TV, etc, it was all gone. My grandfather spoke several languages, had talked many hours with people who had fought in the Civil War, Indian Wars, including the losers, Spanish American War, WW1 and WW2, died before Korea, was able to make his own horse shoes from scratch, his own shoes, build a house, sod or timber, etc, my grandmother could spin, weave, sew, butcher, can, tan, etc. She was born in 1874 and was about 30 years old and had birthed 2 children in a sod house and 2 in a timber house when the Wright brothers flew and was considered middle aged, yet she watched on the TV when man walked on the moon before she died at 100. Life experiences change you and living away from others, as well the social changes between the generations mean that your changes and theirs are no longer in sync. Much of the language and experiences I had in the 1940's are now, rightly or not, considered hate speech, yet the blacks that lived with us were much more part of our community than those I know today as they were part of our community and our culture.
    I find that at 81, I no longer have to go to the wilderness or Alaska, etc, to feel ever more alienated.
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  13. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I like peeling bananas and (occasionally) people.

    There is a word: metanoia. It means (essentially) the moment when a person's world-view changes.

    If a person studies mathematics very hard, immersively, there will come a moment when that person suddenly becomes a mathematician. Not just a person that can do math, but a person who perceives reality in terms of mathematics. For that person, every experience will then be forever different from a non-mathematician, even something as simple as tying a shoelace.

    If the difference in perception is sufficiently great, there is little correspondence with the ordinary world that most people experience. Then the mathematician (in this case) would be perceived by normal people as being insane. That's because normal people tend to be compulsive conformists.

    The person who does not want to lose touch with the "ordinary" world must keep one foot in each world. That automatically means he will be less of a mathematician, but also that he will still be a "normal" person--mostly.

    One might compare that to reprogramming a person's brain by changing the operating system, keeping in mind that it is a very spiritual thing.

    This is how a vision quest can fundamentally change a person, often forever. And usually for the better, vision quests being what they are.

    In the practice of Ceremonial Magic a certain mental state is achieved wherein the Laws of Reality are perceived differently by the magician. This allows the magician to achieve results and/or do things that others cannot. Things that are called "magic". It also makes the magician less able to function normally in the "real" world.

    Many magical operations/ceremonies have extensive shut-down procedures at the end that are designed to return the magician's mental state to exactly what it was before the magical operation began. Before the "magical mind" was awakened. Thus they start out "normal" and finish up "normal".

    In magicians, it is possible to to achieve such an non-consensual mental state that there is zero correspondence with the real world, and the magician can no longer return to his starting point. In fact, the magician can no longer perceive the normal Reality, nor be perceived by those who inhabit it. To them, the magician simply isn't there anymore. He's gone, usually forever.

    Some call that "getting lost", others call it"ascending".

    To eliminate your discontinuity between the wild world and the civilized world, develop a set of rituals to transition between them. When leaving the wild world, for example, you might officially take off the furs and have a nice scented bath.Then put on city clothing. Change the hair-do, footgear, and pocket contents. Put on make-up. Equip yourself with a purse filled with city stuff like money, a pen, a checkbook, credit card, ID, and all the "normal" things women carry. If you wear a watch in the wild, wear a different one in the city. Choose , in other words, to switch into "city-you".

    On leaving the city, do the opposite to return yourself to "wild-you".

    Those routines are magical processes, "spells" if you wish to call them that, that will invoke the desired mind-set and world-view for as long as they are in effect.

    The more often you formally transition between the two states, the easier and more efficient the process will become.

    All of the above can be pseudo-summerized by saying "Dress up fer the city, and when you leave the city, leave all that dang city foolishness behind you."

    The thing is, you have to do it on purpose. Intent is the key--and Will.

    One last thing: Do not abandon either world. There are benefits to be found in both.
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  14. oldman11

    oldman11 Monkey+++

    I go to town once a week and can get everything I need and then some.
    My wife goes to town twice a week and always is short.
    She also goes to see our son 24 miles away twice a week
    She goes to church three times a week.
    And is mad at me because I will not carry her to see a sister in law 550 milesaway three times a year.
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  15. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Just got home, found nothing I wanted in the city.
  16. deMolay

    deMolay Monkey+

    Charles Badger Clark, Jr. (1883-1957)

    Oh Lord, I’ve never lived where churches grow.
    I love creation better as it stood
    That day You finished it so long ago
    And looked upon Your work and called it good.
    I know that others find You in the light
    That’s sifted down through tinted window panes,
    And yet I seem to feel You near tonight
    In this dim, quiet starlight on the plains.

    I thank You, Lord, that I am placed so well,
    That You have made my freedom so complete;
    That I’m no slave of whistle, clock or bell,
    Nor weak-eyed prisoner of wall and street.
    Just let me live my life as I’ve begun
    And give me work that’s open to the sky;
    Make me a pardner of the wind and sun,
    And I won’t ask a life that’s soft or high.

    Let me be easy on the man that’s down;
    Let me be square and generous with all.
    I’m careless sometimes, Lord, when I’m in town,
    But never let ’em say I’m mean or small!
    Make me as big and open as the plains,
    As honest as the hawse between my knees,
    Clean as the wind that blows behind the rains,
    Free as the hawk that circles down the breeze!

    Forgive me, Lord, if sometimes I forget.
    You know about the reasons that are hid.
    You understand the things that gall and fret;
    You know me better than my mother did.
    Just keep an eye on all that’s done and said
    And right me, sometimes, when I turn aside,
    And guide me on the long, dim, trail ahead
    That stretches upward toward the Great Divide.

    …by Charles Badger Clark Jr., 1906
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  17. Swedish woman

    Swedish woman Monkey

    Thanks for your interesting posts.
    I've talkes a lot of times with my husband about it, and he recognise also that to go to civilisation becomes a big problem for me.
    We have now some last serious snow storms before summer after this is also the time that we go to the city to shop goods.
    I'm now getting a bit worried for that day how closer it comes how angery i am getting serious night mares stress and i don't want that anymore.
    Ive discussed with my husband and now we've decided dhat my husband going alone and left me here, and that we give it a try that i stand alone here and if my feelings are gone good when i'm alone here ( never stayed alone ) than i'm gonne quit with visiting civilisation and stay here in the bush.We also talked about our feature we have a group hindes living close to us i visit them some time ( on a distance ) to observate them and to study them a know now a bit of their lives now i'm dress in hide pelts and smells like a hinde i come closer and closer to that group and it seems that they accept me when im there, and when i feel that they accept me full and i can come in the group than i will starting lifing with them from time to time for a vieuw weeks as a sort of holliday and if this is going serious good for a vieuw years than i'm gonna quit with my husband too and become a hinde too and living with the group full time
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  18. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I am having trouble understanding this. Group of hindes? What type of animal are you talking about? Canine?
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  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    hinds - deer
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  20. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Hind = female deer, as opposed to a stag.
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