Puerto Rico is pushing for state hood

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by arleigh, Jun 27, 2018.


  1. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    They don't have the discipline to maintain their economy so they want the US to cover their losses .
    Do you believe they have right to demand an answer .and where might they go if the US does not pick up the check ?
    Very few of the population vote so getting an honest consensus is difficult. I've got a feeling they want our money but not our laws.
    The article came from the Washington post
     
  2. Tempstar

    Tempstar Monkey+++

    What would the US have to gain? No real tax base there, no major exports, no quality infrastructure. We'd be fools to take that on.
     
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  3. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    I say grant them full Independence. I want to rid the US of any vestiges of of former colonial Imperialism!

    Then they can pay their damn bills.
     
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  4. ochit

    ochit Monkey+

    We have enough socialist who want everything free no responsibility free healthcare free college low rent rent controls free public transportation one of these morons won the on the platform of Bernie Sanders free Medicaid for all we have people that fall for that when Bernie doesn't have it won't take it or use it he made millions selling socialism but does not live by it's rules he does not keep people on his campaign he fired them he could have them do other work but no they hot ta go owns, what is it 3 homes why does he not allow some needy people stay while they are not there ? hge's a bald face liar in my opinion as all socialists as long as you don't cut their check and they never loose anything of precieved value you rich people need to pay never mind they have all the businesses that create jobs pay their employees and pay half of their SSI many match retirement payed sick leave about a third have paid vacations and now women want 12 to 15 weeks paid maternity leave what the hell did I get even for planned surgery NOT SHIT ! I had to schedule not take vacation or have sick days and try to get it done on a day before days off.

    A Syrian refugee gets full boat of SSI healthcare, rent assistance and food stamps and they do not have to do a thing it's all done for them and given a translator and fill out all their paperwork and they get a special line for business loans and education. I know people on disability that get 350.00 a month because they are mentally challenged and never could work their families paid SSI but they don't pass muster but a illegal alien does and a foreign national that never paid a dime. We also feed and give aid and comfort medial supplies and free surgery to non combatants and people we are not even at war with we pay most of the U.N. food program and it is supplied with American grain milk cheese bought with our tax dollars and we get no repeat no recognition all the labels say U.N. we pay over half of the U.N. bills maintenence on the building traver for dignitaries that come from poor nations and their security details are ex service people OURS.

    American pay 60% of all income to taxes divided into nit picking now they want to tax internet sales a lage part is individuals that already pay 10% to people like ebay then to a online payment service like Paypal 10% and now they will want 6 to 8.5% so 28% on top of every gallon of fuel 50 cents a gallon but they don't have money for infrastructure ? I pay tax on every service I use and tags insurance license and repairs school emergency services road tax property tax and sirloin is 7.88 a pound gas is 2.50 F___ them all

    we need to turn the whole place into a penal colony that way they will have someone to rebuild because they can't seem to got off their ass and their Governor all she can do is run her mouth has no control over any of the unions and they can't get past their pissing contests to rebuild a perfect example of socialism in action we need to send in Obummer he knows how to organize he knows how to get support raise money and roll up those sleeves and read a teleprompter maybe he can get Soros to build them another Island. and they can make Hilery their queen and Bernie Sanders and Elisabeth Warren to social services and healthcare you know a real world test of all their competence and experience if it works we can do it here LMAO...
     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2018
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  5. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Exactly!!! [violin] While the country [reddevil].
     
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  6. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    They are already getting our money.
     
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  7. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    My first thought is I do not want them. They seem to not really care for us, they just want from us.

    That is a good question, what do they have to offer?
     
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Rum, and there's better rum to be had elsewhere. There's also some interesting architecture to see if you can get there before it collapses.
     
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  9. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    They make a lot of medical supplies there.
    They won't be able to offer labor below minimum wage any more when they become a state.

    Maybe we could sell them.
     
  10. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    PR is a rich mans TAX haven / exempt out .
    I came from one , Jersey CI (Yanks NOT NJ ) the real one !! Jersey /Guernsey cows !!
    Im A Jerseyman . , england /roths use Jersey as a scape haven , USA uses PR as the same .
    Chemtrail pays it's bills from PR etc to NOT be from USA/NASA?& the rest . who support .
    Sloth
     
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  11. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    I would make a good detention center for all the illegals coming across. One way ticket to PR. Maybe they could help get the grid up and running.
     
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  12. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I don't see the point in giving them statehood; however, I think they do have lots to offer in the way of tourism among other things. I think they would do better to be given independence as I frankly do not see why we need them as a territory, those days are long gone. They can sink or swim with independence.
     
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  13. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I fear that PR would fall to a less than friendly "force" were we to cut them loose. (Bear in mind that Cuba was under the influence of our (at the time) arch enemy.) While I'd love to have the burden shifted off our treasury, there could be some odd consequences that I (for one) cannot see. In the meantime, the fervor for both nationhood and statehood factions are supported by us. PRs are citizens in all ways but the ability to vote in national elections, and get to the entitlements as quickly and easily as the residents of the homeless shelters.

    Can you just imagine a Chinese naval base in San Juan?
     
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  14. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    While I have never been there, friends have .Their impression of their experience there, were that the natives do not respect the Americans, what they respect is money . And even that is questionable .
    I know my friends , and they are not arrogant nor rich, but down to earth people who them selves live and work in a resort town .
    They cannot possibly become self sufficient for several reasons .
    They don't want to work . manufacturing that goes there finds it hard to keep employees. soon as they get paid they do not show up for days. Or the slightest bribe from a competitor has them job hopping, usually on false promises ,and loose trust and again don't show up for work .
    The country has few natural resources and what there is ,is consumed by the inhabitance which is also growing well over populated . They alone prove the socialist liberal agenda does not work . and no leadership there had been able to change that.
    Nor has American help with trying to introduce industry made any difference, except to make them more lazy and more demanding.
     
  15. Zimmy

    Zimmy Wait, I'm not ready!

    The majority of PR I knew in the Army were contemptuous of Americans, statehood, and rules in general. They could lie and manipulate better than any politicians I know.

    PBS can't even generate a decent travel show episode to entice visitors. It looks like a shithole slum with healthy men playing dominoes all day.

    I never could figure out why they volunteered to fight in the first place. The benefits, I suppose.

    I have met several descendents of immigrants from PR that were hard working ethical men. Maybe it's something in the water down there.

    I'd cut them loose. They will probably devolve into Liberia.

    At least they'll have dominoes.
     
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  16. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    :lol: I wonder how much we could get for an island of dependent people that are living in hurricane alley?

    I still don't want PR. I don't drink rum so that is not enticing and we could probably make cheaper medical supplies here. We should anyways.
     
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  17. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    You would be surprised what people will buy at an auction.
     
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  18. natshare

    natshare Monkey+++

    I honestly don't see any of the US possessions (Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands or Guam) ever gaining statehood. All three lean predominantly left, and could tilt the balance in that direction, for a long time to come.

    I imagine it would be similar to the entry of states, prior to the US Civil War....you want one that leans left? Not until we have a 2nd one, that leans to the right!
     
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  19. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Wake island leans right.
     
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  20. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    PR wants Independence?

    My answer - "Well, bye"
     
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