RFID chip question

Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by monkeyman, Aug 17, 2007.


  1. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I am going to have to get a pasport for work as I am likely to be going to the Bahamas and such soon. All the passports now have RFID chips in them but the are SUPPOSED to only be able to be read when stuck under a reader. I suspect though that they could be read remotely and based on my paranoia am thinking I will carry mine in a case to 'protect it from dammage'. Im was thinking of getting some 'pleather', sewing mylar to one side then makeing a sort of wallet out of it that would enclose the pasport and ensure it was only being used in the way it is claimed and could not be read by the 'wrong' folks and identify me as an American where that may equal being of value for ransome and such. I was just wondering if anyone knew how well that would work?
     
  2. <exile>

    <exile> Padawan Learner

    It seemed I had read a study awhile back by one of the big universities where they tested blocking rfid but I couldn't remember the material that was used or how successful it was. Did some searching at the MIT site and didn't have any luck.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=site:mit.edu+block+rfid&btnG=Search

    Pick the university site of your choice and use the power of Google to hit all of the indexed pages.

    Added:
    One thing I've seriously considered is getting a Speedpass to play around with blocking technologies.

    http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/000798.html
     
  3. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

  4. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Cool, the deal of the duct tape walet was kind of what I was thinking of, just useing mylar for its flexibility and I think (?) higher ability to block radio waves on something like leather or something. Maybe on rubber to help keep water off of it as well.
     
  5. Ommega

    Ommega Monkey+++

    Hello Monkeyman,
    As a retired person from security, I'll confirm your assessment of their tracking technology. Project "sunflower" did exactly what you are speaking about.
    Not sure if Mylar will work, but we need to have someone test and report back with the results.
    Technology gains are made daily and I've been away from the game for about two years, so it would be nice if we had an anonymous person drop us a line from the inside trade group.
    Your Bud,[ditto]
     
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I would think RF shielding could be accomplished with flexible metal screening or stuffing it in to it into a ball of brillo pad in an emergency( com centers and covers of rf test equipment use brillo-like gaskets to seal lids and between covers. ..I also think all this id information up for grabs by anyone with a little electronics background will cause a real mess. Hi gain directional antennas increase the range on any rf equipment; hell, we( nasa anyway) regularly tunes in the voyager spacecraft transmitting only a few miliwatts of power IIrc.
    ( yes this particular antenna is huge but it illustrates the idea)..
     
  7. Ommega

    Ommega Monkey+++

    Here is what I was told way back when this first became an issue....
    Finely chop up some VHS recording tape and stir it into some polyurethane paint. You now have a liquid that may be used to make a barrier to many electronic probes. have not tested this material as yet, but would love to know if it works.
    Your Bud,
     
  8. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Yes Mylar does work. I have a "speed pass" for road toll booths, they read the rfid at 65 mph ~15 feet away. If it's in the mylar bag it won't read it.
     
  9. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    Stick it the nuker and say its broken. It might take longer, however it wont ever transmit anything.
     
  10. nightshade7206

    nightshade7206 Monkey+++

  11. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    part of themovie"zeitgeist",its a bit paranoid but the dotscan be lined up likethat.
    If we ever get to a 100% monitored cashless"logans run" utopian future where there are the "normal " workaday ( slaves) folks"there will be an outcast class of "non- persons" denied gov id and everything that goes along with it.
    I can imagine them(us)finding each other, banding together to survive and creating an alternate society...on the fringes of the "insiders", but getting by... raiding food shipments,hunting/fishing /gardening/squatting in U.N. "biological diversity zones".
    poaching, protecting our "stolen enclaves"from U.N. treaty enforcement squads...
    monkeywrenching "proper" society and the elite.
    (literally being the proverbial "turd in the drinking fountain")
    Unless being stripped of societal priveledges includes a guest shot on the "antistate enemy Execution(s)of the week show" Thursdays at nine! pay per victim Channel 123...
     
  12. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    tango,
    you have a rosey perception on how it would be. The alternative view is that if you "lose" the "right" to buy then you goto a camp and build parts for the machine and if you can survive on 1/10 cup of rice a day then you can keep working, if not then you die. If the pop gets too big in the "no right to buy" camp then they cull a few.

    personally I would prefer your view, but they aren't that dumb. If put in either of the situations I would probably be shot instigating a riot or trying to escape, unless I was fortunate enough to get a good enough riot going or to escape, fat chance.
     
  13. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Probably right,Scenes of "demolition man" with the hungry under ground people raiding dinner parties at "taco bell"came to mind... I'm trying to be less of a"doomer".
     
  14. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    That's what I plan to do when I get my new passport and any other new ID's in the future. Any advice, from personal experience, on how long to nuke it so ID does not get destroyed? Was thinking a few seconds should take out any electronics???
     
  15. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    well yeah about 10 to 15 seconds should do it. No personal experience, but with my technical experience (The highschool lab)
     
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    And so it begins. Google up "SECURITI" (sic) or "NEXUS." It is a card that serves in place of a passport for certain entry and exit points. To get one, you just about have to cough up your entire life history, looks to be nearly as extensive as a Top Secret clearance background check. (But crossing the border will be SO convenient. Even for the finder after the card gets "lost.")
     
  17. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    ummm.. Ghrit, Nexus has been around for awhile. Its for the Detroit people who work in Toronto, or Vice Versa. I have met a number of folks who have it. We also have something like it on this coast. Its mainly for truckers and other buisnessmen. Also For alot of the Point Roberts People. If you wanna see a really random part of the US, look up them. These cars are HIGHLY difficult to get, as you need to basicly get bonded and also have a complete workup on you done. Also as you can imagine, the government of both countries has to agree to let you have it. I wouldnt worry about these things, as they are optional and diffcult to get.
    My Two Cents as a frequent border crosser between your Northern Neighbor and the USofA.
    CB
     
  18. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    OK. Securiti is aimed at the southern border, and for tourists as well. Strange that they don't work on both ends.
     
  19. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    Seems that different Areas have different security concerns. Such as Detroit area has to check for Gun Smuggling alot more than say out here, Which would be more of a focus on Drug and Human Trafficking. And the southern border needs all three
     
  20. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    All that kinda begs the question. I realize that passports are a whole lot easier to get than one of these "papers" that they will want to see. But as I said, one of those in the hands of a smuggler would be golden. I wonder how many have been "lost" to date --
     
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