RIP Randy Weaver

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Minuteman, May 13, 2022.


  1. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I met Randy a few times on the gun show circuit when he was selling his and Sara's book about the Ruby Ridge massacre. He was a good man. One thing I always remembered about him was the look in his eyes. The most sorrowful, haunted look I have ever seen. His story should serve as a warning to all Patriots of what can happen when a tyrannical government decides you are an enemy. A deplorable, domestic terrorist, for going against the grain and wanting to be so radical as to live free.

    Randy Weaver, Separatist Whose Family Was Massacred by FBI at Ruby Ridge, Dies at 74
     
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  2. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    That happens to people when they have seen how brutal life really is. People think there are laws and society and rules that everyone follows when in reality there are none. People do what they want. Horrible things happen every day in ways you can't possibly imagine and Ruby Ridge was one of those places. I don't see how it was anything other than government sanctioned murder.
     
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  3. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I never saw Randy Weaver as a radical. From what I have read and, I would argue the courts proved, this was simply a cold cut case of a government agency that not only exceeded their authority but went WAY beyond civil decency and, in truth, engaged in illegal operations against a citizen of the United States. Yes, Randy won a huge lawsuit but never really received justice by criminally prosecuting those in charge of this excessive force and insanity.

    I would go so far to say that Randy Weaver is an American hero because his sacrifices brought to light what our FBI, ATF and other agencies plus the controlling governmental leadership have evolved into - one step away from a true Gestapo. No. I stand corrected, they are Gestapo because they would have made Randy and his family disappear in the middle of the night without anyone knowing if giving the chance and Randy didn't resist.

    And, what actually happened to these excellent law enforcers that conducted themselves like low-life criminals? Nothing. Even the cash award given to Randy was paid by taxpayers - I repeat - nothing. Now, the FBI is used constantly as a political weapon, like the old Gestapo, and their latest absurdity is investigating Project Veritas because obviously this news agency that differs in opinion with the current administration and constantly proves corruption and lies by our government and agencies is a threat to America.

    I believe some day, people will look back and see Randy Weaver and his incident for what it truly is, an America hero and a historical watershed incident that brought to light what our federal law enforcement agency has evolved in to...if we don't fall under the authoritarian boot which given current events isn't looking so good these days.
     
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  4. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    All the government had to do was control the story back in the day where you had to worry about a reporter being there, taking pictures, sending pictures back to the media outlet and then maybe it will get published. Control the media and whatever you say is true.
     
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  5. apache235

    apache235 Monkey+++

    We’ve lost two, Randy and John Ross - sad.
     
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  6. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    There was a story about a reporter amd his cameraman who had snuck in through the woods to get close enough to see what was going on. They could see the area where the FBI was staging at. They saw them filling a drum with diesel and wiring something to it. Then they were loading it into a helicopter. The cameraman had been in the military and he told the reporter that they had built a firebomb and were going to burn down the cabin. The reporter and cameramen ran out of the treeline waving thier arms and shouting, holding up thier camera to show that they were filming. The agents quickly removed the drum from the helicopter and the reporter and his cameraman were escorted out of the area, after thier film had been seized.
     
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  7. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

     
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  8. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    A good man and family that were done a great wrong.
     
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  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    The events at Ruby Ridge directly led to the tragedy at Waco one year later.
    The ATF were recieveing a lot of bad press and thier budget was coming up for renewal. There were calls to reduce thier budget or even defund them. They needed to make a big splash.
    They ran out of ammo, had no way to call for help, but they had plenty of video tape.
     
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  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    There's a very special place in Hell awaiting FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi. May he burn forever.
     
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  11. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    He was at Waco a year later. He recieved an award for his actions at Ruby Ridge.The Attorney General of Idaho filed murder charges against him but the Federal government wouldn't let them prosecute him.
     
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  12. GOG

    GOG Free American Monkey

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  14. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    There is also some evidence he fired his rifle three times from his position at Waco. So, more murders on his head. This barstage enjoyed killing.
     
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  15. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    Waco is another of many state sponsored murder sprees. They seem to really get off on killing women and children and then lying about it after. Most of them are drunk on power and have massive god complexes. The very first time they killed Americans illegally should have been the last. When that happens they have crossed the Rubicon. They have gone beyond the point of redemption because they no longer serve the people. They serve big government. At that point the people should take them down by any means necessary because there is no other way back.

    The murder of men, women, and children by militarized law enforcement creates a psychological condition in the populace that changes the fundamental relationship between people and state. EX: If two people live together and you see the other one murder a child in cold blood, your relationship has changed forever. Once you know they are willing to cross the line you are put to the decision of whether or not you are willing to kill them to be free. That is the point that these stories have put us at. Seeing that they have happened puts all of us at the point where in order to take back the way it used to be requires the elimination, at the very least, of those agencies.
     
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  16. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Probably tin foil hat stuff but I found the 1990s to be the decade chosen by the Government to write a narrative that demonized anyone that wanted to live free and separate from a society in full moral decay as the Bogeyman and the Government forces as the savior. If you bought the Government Narrative about Ruby Ridge the Weaver family was a group of rabid feral humans hell bent on the destruction of society and at the same time a sophisticated crime syndicate that dealt in illegal arms. If the goal was to arrest Weaver that could have been accomplished on hundreds of occasions without incident away from the family and property.

    Waco pretty much the same thing just larger in scale and of course the flame tanks came into play and were beyond obvious. But hey the majority of people bought the story that the fires were set within and they burned themselves alive. Koresh Like Weaver could have been arrested hundreds of time outside of the compound.

    Oklahoma City Bombing and the capture of the Unabomber both stories had the strong smell of rotten fish around them. The Unabomber or Theodore John Kaczynski was without question the bomber but read his history and decline of his life and the time period that he transformed from respectable Citizen to Nut Job in the woods and the MK Ultra theory being involved does not sound so crazy. Also put more paint on the picture that anyone wanting to live separate from society was a danger to society. The Unabomber capture was also a much needed victory for the FBI in the public perception arena.

    Oklahoma City, No One will ever convince me that it was not a well orchestrated and manipulated false flag attack. I admit I have some very bitter feelings toward the Government and FBI over being one of the 28,000+ interviews in 1996 simply because I knew some one that knew someone that knew Michael Fortier. I was effectively arrested by four FBI Agents dragged off to Memphis 180 miles from little cabin and property grilled for two days straight, then released with no ride home, no money, no ID (My Wallet was on my kitchen table at home) Got lucky and hitched a ride with a trucker to a truck stop off I40 that put me a 17 mile walk to home. Pretty clear to me that it was open season on anyone that just wanted to live off the grid not being bothered or bothering anyone. For the record being in the outhouse with yer pants down around your ankles reading the latest issue of SOF is a terrible time to get raided and detained by the FBI :) A more objective look at the OKC Bombing and it was just all to perfect, it all went to fast and smooth and it furthered a growing Government Narrative and it changed the entire dynamic of the time. It was amazing how many Survivalist and Militias no longer even breathed those words in a whisper and became Preppers, Farmsteaders, Homesteaders and Off Gridders. The Government created the intended effect of fear IMO. OKC also created new powers, and authorities in agencies already drunk on power and authority.

    Several hundred events in the 90s that did not get the media attention or marginal media attention like the Montana Freemen stand off. Many of those triggered by the FBI interviews related to OKC.

    The events of the 90s played major roles in directing us to where we are today in terms of regulations promulgated or not, Laws and perceptions and I do believe the Government has played the long game/ long con hard on the American people to create the desired division and hate that is so strong today. It has been my experience that the more off the grid and radar someone believes themselves the be...... the more on the radar they are :)
     
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  17. GOG

    GOG Free American Monkey

    Weaver was the example that the feds wanted to create. They need new narratives all the time to reinforce the changes that strip away our freedoms.

    While I'm at it, the Oklahoma bombing conveniently destroyed Hillarys Whitewater dirt and 9/11 distracted from the loss of billions announced by the SECDEF or whichever department the day before.

    Mahleur was closer to home, they straight up murdered LaVoy Finicum and they'd have definitely killed the Bundys if they could have gotten away with it.

    Las Vegas, who TF knows? But it was mass murder for sure.
     
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  18. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Lavoy Finicum was pretty obviously marked for elimination, The Bundys seemed to me to be on the *Would like to remove list but not must eliminate list* What I got from my interrogation err I mean interview was they were not searching for the truth or facts, they were looking for anything that would offer credibility to a narrative.

    Yeah Las Vegas had the dead fish aroma as well. Way to many 1+1=5s in that one.

    The one today Buffalo NY and really most of the mass shooting in recent years smell fishy as well. The timing of them is always perfect for deflecting attention away or to a current issue.
     
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  19. enloopious

    enloopious Rocket Surgeon

    LaVoy was both ambushed and murdered. They tried to kill everyone in the truck as well but luckily by the time they ran out of bullets everyone was still alive. They used illegal blind turn road blocks and shot him in cold blood while he had his hands up surrendering. I don't know if you've seen the video but all the people in the car are lucky to be alive. They just opened fire, again, on his women and children. At this point you have to be a psychopath to join the FBI and CIA. Who else would want to be a part of those organizations?
     
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  20. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Yes intelligence gathering works both ways when it's more than just covert surveillance. Which assume they have already done that and now have to move in a way that may show some of the cards.
     
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