Rossi .410 tuffy

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Brokor, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Just picked it up today. It is classified as a hand gun. Shoots really nice. It is very light, will take some getting used to. Nice little shotgun for about $160.

    Finish: Blue
    Receiver: Blue
    Stock: Black Synthetic Thumbhole Grip Stock
    Sights: Bead Front Sight
    Barrel Length: 18.5"
    Overall Length: 29.5"
    Weight: 3 lbs
    Chamber: 3"
    Additional Features 1: Positive Ejection, Buttstock Shell Cap. Indicator
    Additional Features 2: Five Shell Storage Capacity in Buttstock
    Caliber: 410 Gauge
    Capacity: 1
    Action: Single Shot
    S41118BTUF. rossi_buttstock.
  2. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Why is it classified as a hand gun?
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Because we live in a dictatorship? Dunno. Some would claim length, but that's objectionable.
  4. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Under the National Firearms Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a barrel length less than 18 in. or 46 cm and an overall length less than 26 inches) without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which requires a background check and a $200.00 fee for every transfer. (Short-barreled muzzleloading blackpowder shotguns, in contrast, are not illegal by federal law and require no tax-stamped permit, although they may be illegal under state law.) As with all NFA regulated firearms, a new tax stamp must be purchased before every transfer. Inter-state transfers must be facilitated through a Class III Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealer while intrastate transfers may be between two persons.
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  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Yup. And I live in Pennsylvania. Get this. I just bought a .22 Savage Mark II. Had to go through the registration and background check on that, too. This State is ridiculous. And the people just fall in line thinking that terrorists are real and our government is trying to protect them.

    Just ridiculous.

    The essence of this argument is that Pennsylvania law does not allow them (meaning to do it is ‘against’ the law) to demand this information and specifically excludes long gun, rifle and shotgun, from the requirement to complete the record of sale form for these purchases. Pennsylvania firearms dealers who comply with this policy dictate could, technically, themselves, be guilty of violating Pennsylvania law (which is a misdemeanor 1 crime-see section 6119) along with the Pennsylvania State police. PA Law (Title 18) States in pertinent part (see below):

    §6111. Sale or transfer of firearms.

    (1.4) Following implementation of the instantaneous records check by the Pennsylvania State Police on or before December 1, 1998, no application/record of sale shall be completed for the purchase or transfer of a firearm which exceeds the barrel lengths set forth in section 6102.

    §6102. Definitions.

    "Firearm." . . . .any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches.

    As you can see from the above sections of law, the Pennsylvania State Police have NO authority or justification for this new policy. Frankly this is a war that is being conducted and waged against gun owners in this state that originates directly from the executive office mansion and Ed Rendell.

    It is, and has been, our position that the Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) is an anachronism and an unnecessarily expensive distraction in this modern age and needs to be disbanded. We can turn over the functions of firearms instant checks to the National Instant Check System (NICS) which will not only do it for free but with far less complications to the gun buyer as well as the FFL dealer. The national instant check system is utilized by 38 states without any demonstrable problems.

    There will be much, much more coming out in the next several weeks and I ask for your help in notifying gun owners about this problem. I know gun owners will wonder why this is a problem but let me give you an example of a situation that could be encountered by any owner of these firearms. If you are traveling home or to arrange and get stopped by a police officer for any reason and during the course of this stop he sees that you have firearms in your vehicle. It is more than likely that he/she will decide to run each firearm against the Pennsylvania State police record of sale database (you know that illegal one that they continue to maintain at a cost to PA Taxpayers of over $500,000 a year). When the report comes back to the officer in the field that your favorite AR-15 is not registered in this Pennsylvania State Police Gun Registration System then in all likelihood what you will face is arrest and seizure of your property until "legal ownership" can be established, even though no crime has been committed other than the prejudice demonstrated by the particular law enforcement officer question. I know, when talking to gun owners, what you will encounter is that they will say this can't happen. Let me tell you I have in my files dozens of incidents (from ALL over the state) where gun owners encountered this very kind of attitude and even worse treatment than mentioned in my simple explanation.

    As Dirty Harry would say, “do you (we) feel lucky”?
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    "Scary black rifle";
    you a terrorist or something?
    omg look at that "banana clip"!

    nobody needs 10 rounds!! :)
  7. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I bought a AK pistol a while back and checked out the ATF rules about them. To be considered a pistol it can not have a shoulder stock on it or have ever had one on it when it was first sold.
  8. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    That little Tuffy resembles the old '410 Snakecharmer' from the 70's......
  9. happyhunter42

    happyhunter42 Monkey+++

    Looks like it would be a good firearm for the trunk of your car or behind the seat of your pickup.
  10. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Seawolf beat me to it!
    Looks like a re-make of the old .410 "snakecharmer".....!
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