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Russia and Georgia.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ivan, Aug 11, 2008.

  1. Ivan

    Ivan Monkey++


    Russia seems determined to claim South Ossetia, and maybe Abkhazia. The west has for better or worse decided to side with Georgia and started with the finger wagging.


    The Georgians seem rather angry that theres nothing more then finger wagging going on. Don't know what they expect us to do. Unless Bush can pull 20,000 tanks out of his ass we're sitting this one out.


    Not that this administration claims caution or judgement as virtues...
  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    It was known that a serious confrontation had been building up. British Intelligence predicted this year that a war in the Caucasus was probable. The focus was Georgia, the West’s main ally in the region and the only export route for Caspian oil and gas outside Kremlin control.

    And we've got our conventional military pounding sand. Scary mess..."Okay Condi; hit this one out of the park!"( not likely!)
    Mike Rupert claims the east/west conflict caucus' are straight out of " the grand chessboard" by zbiggy.
    YouTube- The Grand Chessboard Pt.1
  3. toemag

    toemag Monkey++

    Borrowed this from another Forum because it is on target.

  4. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Interesting comparison.

    <TABLE class=copy cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR id=article_headline><TD vAlign=top colSpan=2>Russia's Invasion Same as Hitler's

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=article_datestamp id=article_date vAlign=top align=left>Monday, August 11, 2008 11:44 AM

    By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann </TD><TD class=article_datestamp id=article_fontsize vAlign=top align=right></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD id=article_content vAlign=top>

    On Oct. 3, 1938, Adolf Hitler's armies marched into Sudetenland, a part of Czechoslovakia. Germany said it was responding to separatist demands from the large German population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Germany.

    Hitler's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.

    On Aug. 7, 2008, Vladimir Putin's armies marched into South Ossetia, a part of Georgia. Russia said it was responding to separatist demands from the large Russian population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Russia.

    Putin's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.

    Encouraged by his occupation of Sudetenland, Hitler continued his designs on Czechoslovakia itself and invaded the rest of the nation a few months later.

    Will history continue to repeat itself?

    Georgia is one of the two countries that have split off from the old Soviet Union and most firmly reached out to the West. Now Putin is testing whether the West will respond to an overt Russian military attack on a part of Georgia, doubtless paving the way for a full scale invasion, perhaps in the coming days. One immediate Russian move would be to use its newfound military leverage to force Georgia to give up Abkhazia, another province with a large Russian population.

    Russia has encouraged migration by ethnic Russians into its satellite empire ever since Stalin's days and now is using the provinces with large Russian populations to foment discord in nations that lean to the West.

    The United States and the European Union must not turn away at this crucial moment in history. The U.S. should take visible steps to bolster Georgia, including the dispatch of supplies, materials, and other manifestations of our determination not to let this nation be invaded.

    Russia's goal in this imperialism is to intimidate any nation on its borders into rejecting overtures from the West and to try to prove that the West will offer no real protection against Russian military designs.

    NATO should speed consideration of Georgia's application for admission and should extend its security umbrella to include the struggling democracy.

    If the United States appeases Russia now, it will pay the same price British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain paid in the 1930s. This invasion must not be allowed to stand or, at the very least, it must be contained to south Ossetia and not allowed to lap over into the rest of Georgia.

  5. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    I think it has to do with oil pipeline out of Georgia and the Ukraine that goes to the Caspian sea. Also with all the help the CIA has given to Geogia by training their troops. A drunken Empire, a huge Siberian grizzly, and an evil Red dragon are going for all the earth's resources. Those american trained troops attacked soviet peace keepers first. I heard some one on the morning news saying we should put National guard troops there. HAHA!
  6. toemag

    toemag Monkey++

    I just love this bleeding hearts crap, the truth of the matter is the South Ossetians kicked the Georgians out in the early 90's, the Georgians wanted to join NATO and the €U so have been trying like mad to please all in sundry by sending troops to Iraq etc etc.

    They played hard ball poker and invaded South Ossetia with the our new mates from the US and €U will come to help us if the Russians interfere, well they lost the bet, and they will have to make good on their debts.

    I hate politicians of all nationalities, they are bigots who never stop to consider the welfare of their people until they get it wrong. I just watched the Sack on CNN squirming and moaning that the Russians who in the meantime have called a cease fire are not abiding by that cease fire, having also watched the Russian President explain the terms of the cease fire and stating that any hostile action by the Georgians will be dealt with in kind, am not surprised that he (the sack) is crying to the intl., media.

    My sympathies go out to all of the civilian KIA & WIA.

    I myself am far from being a Russian fan, having joined the British Army at 16 and ended up being stationed here in Germany at the age of eighteen awaiting the Commie attack to rain down on me at any moment. I was stationed at a place called Hildesheim not to far away from where the 3rd shock was at Magdeburg, even then I new that if the balloon went up my sh!t was weak, life expectancy after the start of hostilities was measured in minutes not hours or day's with survival being less than 3% of my unit.

    I will fight anyone anywhere, but I will not fight anyone else's fights for them, especially if they started it.

    just my 0,02cts.


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