Safe School Anonymous Tip Lines

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by hot diggity, Mar 23, 2018.


  1. hot diggity

    hot diggity Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++

    I heard about this idea on NPR. You overhear another student talking about guns. He must be dangerous, so you report him to the Safe School hotline. Armed police show up at his door. How many innocent people will be SWATted in their homes before somebody realizes this isn't a good idea?
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

  3. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Hmmm, so you could call and make up a story to cause trouble for someone you don't like.

    Apparently it's easy to get away with too, the guy who called in the Kansas swatting call had been involved in 20 other swatting attempts and the police only bothered to go after this guy after someone died.
     
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  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Damn knee jerks every time someone hit it.
     
  5. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    That is very dangerous and I can see it getting abused. Hopefully the police will investigate/question and not have SWAT visit first.
     
  6. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Nope, The Policy in Big Cities, now, is Deal with the Stated ISSUE, FIRST, and investigate the Call AFTER, if it was a False Call...
     
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  7. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    This goes right up there with "Extreme Risk Protection Orders" you get swated and your guns taken away with nothing more then some assholes word that your a threat! Ex girl friend didn' like how you broke up with her, she calls it in and says you have guns and made a threat, BAM, guns stolen by cops and you have no recourse except to spend a shit load of money defending your self in a stacked court! Yup, no chance this will get abused!
     
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  8. ochit

    ochit Monkey+

    People would kill someone for nothing ? why am I not surprised. Anyone remember the cheerleader mom that plotted to murder her daughters rival and mother so her child could be head cheerleader.

    Socialism requires a snitch society, like the block captains and since the whole system knew that from the local police, sheriffs office, CPS the school so hence the police on duty there or should have, therefore what good is a snitch line ? All the authorities already knew, his posts on social media were reported did those media services have a report mandate ? I am positive that other agencies were in the know.

    We are bing groomed into a socialist snitch country, with all the cameras and even with all our information being watched nothing is ever done. Before 911 the flight school reported these people wanted to learn to fly not land. The Russians even told our people that the Boston suspects were up to no good, a polite heads up and not one thing was done.

    My conclusion is that this is a sideswipe at the second, or all amendments all that is needed is a report and your rights are suspended blanket warrant issued for a swat raid to search and find, and anything would be used to support the arrest even if not germain to the original warrant. It's a legal trap, all thats is needed is for them to draft a law and pass it.
    You own one gun and a box of ammo and someone tells your a threat, you have the means the police are told you have a motive your arrested without proof or a indictment no grand jury, any and all of your rights have been circumvented what then a 90 day physiological evaluation butt naked in a rubber room ? the only science that has never cured anyone is the mental health and its doctors all they can do is treat the symptoms with medications. once in custody your technically a ward of the state all of your possessions are in limbo and any payments go to the facility or are suspended.

    This is laid out as simple but it is anything but. if your single you'll lose everything car home or apartment your job and as people are gossips you will be labeled a nut and no work for you. If you have a republican sign in your yard don't you think they would call in in you if your right of center your a gun nut. this is the beginning of the end for our country period if this get traction.
     
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  9. ochit

    ochit Monkey+

    The never have and they are agents of the court with a vested interest of covering any mistakes like that's never happened before. Who will be the oversight the FBL I seem to recall a town there lemme see oh its wako (we did it to save the children) or how about ruby ____ I know that all the stories where called out as conspiracy theories, it's too bad that the facts did not support the reports and all the actors were promoted and no apology but they did settle in court and how does that happen if there was no wrongdoing ?
    numerous police raids have been to innocent people's homes some end in fatal shootings.
    My view DTA or don't trust anyone especially those that tell you it's for your benefit or we are only looking out for your children. I think that is what Hitler did wasn't it, he created the problem out of thin air, blamed the Jews trained the children to snitch on their parents and each other, praised them all and told them they were special and put them in youth camps to be militarized or weaponized then all detractors were rounded up shot or put in prisons we today call them death camps. never forget they killed all the mentally handicapped homosexuals but in this case it would be anyone right of Stalin or homophobic the Nazi plan in reverse. Pretty shrewed reverse psychology, if the American public buys this with the backing of the press I am sure they will -- eventually because if it won't pass now they will keep trying, because this is not about safety it is about power usurping individual rights with paper or law that circumvents your right to due process and makes it legal. That is the trick to make it legal once over that hump no one is safe if they can break you by holding you for enough time you loose your job home and any savings who's going to bother with a broke down crank, and that is what you will be labeled. Dehumanization ask any Indian, first were your friend, then they take the land move you or kill you off then they make it illegal to have weapons then round you up and then put you in a camp or reservation. for Americans to think it won't happen to them is insane we did it to the Japanese in WWII some Germans were effected.

    Never let a crisis go to waste, I laugh at people that tell me we have to protect the children while espousing free and late term abortions on demand that has only killed 500,000 children in the United States since the 1950's. Schools already look like a prison and have police all we need now is shake them down and install a metal detectors with body scanners and give the cops metal detector wands or employ airport employees. to frisk your kids.
     
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  10. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    Know the enemy!
    I have been watching the MSM a lot lately, and have seen and heard all the latest smut to come out of those places. They are fully and completey out of control in reporting on things, if it bleeds, it leads, no facts, no for thought, just put if up on screen and rant about it. No questions, no critical thinking, just go for it! Anti Trump seems especially rough, stupid washed up pornstars who let their ads say now need more money, and Trump is a convenient target for larger gains, and don' think for a moment the assholes didn't come to her and convince her to go public! The anti Gun rant is betting ridiculous, they are going all in on it this time, no minced words, attacking from every angle, and using every trick they can come up with, he'll, even the more conservative have gone full hard left rudder on this, and not even reporting any thing counter as a fair and honest comparison! Our days are numbered as free men and women!
    If a large banking conglomerent can dictate terms that are decidedly anti gun against you, that's very bad!!!!
    The tin foil needs to come off folks, time to wake up, take the red pill, open your eyes to the truth! Th is isn't going to end well!
     
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  11. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    There is a CLASSIC Case that comes to mind.... It happened in Lynnwood, Washington many of decades ago.... The Snohomish County had a brand NEW SWAT Team, and this was their FIRST Deployment, after being Commissioned...

    BackGround: A few years before there was an Armored Car Robbery at a BIG Box Store, after a Three Day Weekend, and a Million Dollars was taken and a Guard was Killed.... Robbers got away Clean, and the Case went COLD, to Frozen, after a couple of years with NO NEW Information....

    So, This punk Kid & his Girlfriend got pinched by the Lynnwood Police for Drugs.. Possession and Distribution.... So to get out from under the Arrest, He said he would give the Police, the "Lynnwood Robbers".... He said is Uncle, and Father, from who he was estranged, pulled the JOB... One was a Mechanic, and I can't remember what the other one did but it was a Skilled Job of some kind.. Both were gainfully employed, and had young Children in the Home... Just average Working Joes, raising Families....

    So, the Lynwood Cops decided because this information sounded GREAT, they would arrest these guys, but they wanted the NEW County SWAT to Do the Raid, because these guys were ARMED, and had Killed, before.... So they brought in the SWAT Team, Planned the Raid, for 7AM, just before the fellows left for work... They got the Warrant, (No KNOCK) and executed the Raid, Smashed down the Front Door, Threw everyone on the Ground, except the Fathers Wife, who was Holding a BABY in her Arms, and then proceeded to trash the House looking for the Money.... They were Armed with Select-Fire HK MP5s, and one of the Guarding Deputies in the Front Room, Fired his Weapon and hit the Mother in the Head, and she died Instantly, and fell to the Floor... Baby landed on her Body... First we were told, that She had MOVED toward Him.... Then we were told that the Weapon, miss-fired, and was Defective... Then we were told by the Outfit that did the conversion, after they tested the Weapon, that it was NOT Defective, and the conversion was Factory Approved, and done with Factory Parts... Then we were told, that it was a TERRIBLE Accident....

    Meanwhile the Husband and Brother got taken to County Jail, and did the really SMART Thing, they SHUT UP, and DEMANDED Counsel... The NEWS got out, and the BEST Criminal LawDog in the Region, took their Case, ProBono, and Went right into Court, to challenge the Warrant, and demand Immediate Release, on Bond... After a Court Hearing, Bond was Granted, so the family could bury the Mother... and then the REAL Truth started to leak out... Both Men were AT WORK, proved by Timecards, Colleagues and Employers Records, at the time of the Robbery.. NO Money was ever found, or Weapons consistent with the Recovered Projectiles from the Robbery. The Punk Kid fessed up, that he Lied, to get out from under the Bust... and the Men sued the City, County, Police Chief, County Sheriff, Swat Team, and everyone who had ANYTHING to do with the Raid Planning and CASE... They won a GIANT Settlement, but Money couldn't undo the Damage Done, from the TOP all the way to the BOTTOM.... The SWAT TEAM was Disbanded, the Weapons were SOLD.... and the local Judge that approved the Warrant, Resigned... I believe the Sheriff, was NOT reElected, when he ran the next time...

    What made this REAL for me, was MY Friend, and Customer, for my High Accuracy Competition Ammunition, who was the Seattle PD SWAT Training Officer, was called in to supervise the DisBanding, and critic the whole incident, castigated the original Detectives, Police Chief, for NOT checking out the the Story in the First Place... the Prosecutor for failure to disclose Due Diligence to the Warrant Issuing Judge... The Raid Planning, and Training of the SWAT TEAM, from the GET GO... The Issuing, and Use of Automatic Weapons, during Training, and Raid...

    He believes, as I do, that there is ABSOLUTELY NO Senerio, where Civilian Law Enforcement needs Select-Fire, or Full-Auto Weapons, PERIOD... It just can NOT be justified....

    I haven't thought on this Incident for a LONG Time, but it still makes my Blood BOIL, and I weep for the Family, still....
     
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  12. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grampa Monkey

    I kind of remember that incident! There was quite a stir down where we were living about all the new SWAT teams building up, and the choice of weps was a serious issue, every one was against the SWAT being armed with select fire arms, and the H-K MP5 was so sexy at the time, every one had to have them. Multi,co ended up with C.A.R. 15 commandos with the burst switch, and there was quite a dust up on that as well.
    Now days, every LEO agency in this A.O. is armed like this, the new term is "Patrol Carbine" like that makes it better! And people are rightfully concerned that LEO are being militarized, with weaons like this, yup, and some how were all safer!
    I had the chance to see a OP go live not long ago, dude holed up at a friend's house very close to where we were staying, he had a handgun and had shot his buddy In a drinking football despite, the Sheriffs deputies, City officers from 3 cities, and SWAT all rolled on this, i5 was a massve force, at least 50 cruisers, unmarked, Subs, pickups, and the BearCat all show up, probably over 100 LEO, and had a stand off for 4 hours l. We had two SWAT snipers on the roof of our place, one across the street up in a tree, and one more down the street on the other side of the target house. A senior Sheriffs deputy told us to shelter in place, things were to complex and too many folks around to try and evac every one out, so they took the more likely at risk folk out.
    My Brother and I armed our selves and waited, 4 fricking hours, for things to calm down. The TANGO tried to run and they sent the dogs after him! Still took another 4 hours to clear every thing out!
     
  13. ochit

    ochit Monkey+

    Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    I have never seen where a person with power or position would not lie crayfish or deflect blame to evade prosecution or embarrassment. That fact makes it impossible for those that tell the truth to be believed.
    This is why I do not believe in protective laws for any person group or political sector because all of them will lie. To make one persons life more important than another is against equality. Our leaders scream equality but never defend it, talk about race in inequitable terms and use it as a proxy weapon against their political opponents and in the interest of social engineering of their policy.
    This recent bomber in Austin should open everyones eyes that a kid with no gun is dangerous he was thankfully not knowledgeable to have executed a better plan. and in this case there were not obvious precursor events or telltale violence to put him on the radar. This is true of many murderers their first act is murder.
     
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  14. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Total threats made against Detroit city schools in 2018 to date via social media .. 43
    Total threats made against Detroit city schools in the past 10 days via social media .. 23
    number of schools that were locked down or closed due to threats on 3/22 via social media.. 10
    I'm thinking that Social Media is the problem. Put down the damn phones.
     
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