Saul Alinsky and How the Left Sees the Rest of Us

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  1. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    Beware the Useful Idiots [Alinsky and How the Left Sees the Rest of Us]
    Miller County Liberal ^ | 8/19/15 | Garret Geer

    Posted on ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2016‎ ‎5‎:‎22‎:‎35‎ ‎PM by Jim 0216

    Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books. Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.

    Enlarge Map. Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA.Education: University of Chicago. Spouse: Irene Alinsky.Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals

    Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.? All eight rules are currently in play.

    How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

    There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

    1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.

    2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control- Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to - take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?

    Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots."

    The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
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  2. lonewolf88

    lonewolf88 Monkey

    No objections here, I hereby second and verify all the above.
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  3. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    His "12 Rules for Radicals" is the bible for most of your leftists.
    Author William F. Buckley said he was "very close to being an organizational genius".
    No reason they can't be used by non-radicals :).

    Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals | Best of Beck

    Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals
    Here is the complete list from Alinsky.

    * RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
    * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
    * RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
    * RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
    * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
    * RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
    * RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
    * RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
    * RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
    * RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
    * RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
    * RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
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  4. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    Thank you, @stg58 for posting this list.
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  5. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Thankyou for the post Pearl........Being the red ragger, covert commie, pinko, LGBTQI, and muslim loving individual that I am alleged to be....This particular publication has eluded my voluminous library of socialist propaganda. If you could furnish me with the ISBN number or the Library of Congress reference, It would help me to track down and capture this elusive beast. Otherwise, I'll have to conclude that it is as imaginary as the rest of the catalogue of fictional books that are waiting to occupy shelf space in my library.

    List of fictional books - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Until then, "How To Create A Socialist State" will have to share some notional shelf space with my extremely valuable first edition copy of Emannuel Goldstein's "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism: The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

    The spam e-mail that you have replicated in this thread, is more a case of how the right would have us believe how the left thinks about the rest of us. Plagiarising the methods of Lenin and Stalin et al, and then attributing it to Saul Alinsky, as some conservative propagandists seem to have done, is deceptive and intellectually dishonest.

    Saul Alinsky actually did author "Rules for Radicals". By all means, let Saul Alinsky hang for what he actually did write, not what he didn't.

    Obama and the 8 Levels of Control by Saul Alinsky-Unproven!
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  6. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    Beware the Useful Idiots | August 19, 2015 | | Miller County Liberal

    This is the article. It was not a spam email. @chelloveck. I would never post a spam email.

    Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals: Saul D. Alinsky: 9780679721130: Books

    You can buy the book on amazon.

    Full text of "Rules for Radicals"

    Books by Saul Alinsky

    John L. Lewis, An Unauthorized Biography

    Re veille for Radicals

    The Professional Radical '(with Marian Sanders)

    Rules for Radicals




    A Practical Primer for Realistic


    New York


    This chapter "Of Means and Ends" was presented in the Auburn Lecture Series at Union
    Theological Seminary. Some of the other sections of this book were delivered in part in
    lectures before the Leaders of America series at the California Institute of Technology in
    Pasadena, California; Yale Political Union, New Haven, Connecticut, April, 1970; The
    Willis D. Wood Fellowship Lecture, Amherst College, Amherst, Massachusetts, May,
    1969; American Society of Newspaper Editors, Washington, D.C., 1968; U.S. Chamber of
    Commerce, Washington, D.C.; March, 1968; A.F. of L.-C.I.O. Labor Press Association,
    Miami, Florida, December, 1967; American Whig-Cliosophic Society, Princeton
    University, Princeton, New Jersey, 1967; Centennial Address, Episcopal Theological
    Seminary, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1968; Harvard Medical Conference, Cambridge,
    Massachusetts, 1969.


    Copyright © 1971 by Saul D. Alinsky

    All rights reserved under International and

    Pan-American Copyright Conventions. Published in the United States by

    Random House, Inc., New York, and simultaneously

    in Canada by Random House of Canada Limited, Toronto.

    ISBN: 0-394-44341-1

    Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 70-117651
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  7. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    @chelloveck, It think the LOC Catalog number is what you wanted. Right?

    That is the only line you disagree with?
  8. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    Communist Goals (1963)

    Documention below

    Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
    January 10, 1963

    Current Communist Goals



    Thursday, January 10, 1963

    Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

    At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

    [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]


    1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

    2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

    3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

    4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

    6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

    7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

    8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

    9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

    10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

    11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

    12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

    14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

    36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

    37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

    38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

    39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

    42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

    43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

    44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

    45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

    Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet.

    It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them.

    Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records.

    Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter.

    You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.

    Click here to see them listed with brain-challenging comments.

    Documentation Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.Sources are listed below.The quote starts on page 259.

    Microfilm: California State University at San JoseClark Library, Government FloorPhone (408)924-2770MicrofilmCall Number: J11.R5Congressional Record, Vol. 10988th Congress, 1st SessionAppendix Pages A1-A2842Jan. 9-May 7, 1963Reel 12

    The book was found in the off campus stacks, was ordered and checked. The quote below was checked against the original and is correct. The few errors in the copy from the Congressional Record are shown in [ ] .

    The quote starts on page 259.
    California State University at San Jose, Clark Library stacks call number:Naked CommunistHX56S55 Book title page:Skousen, W. Cleon. Naked CommunistSalt Lake City, Utah: Ensign Publishing Co.C. 1961 , 9th edition July 1961.

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  9. pearlselby

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  10. pearlselby

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    In 1969 Hillary Clinton wrote her 92-page senior thesis on Alinsky's theories. A great admirer of Alinsky's blend of ruthless and stealth activist tactics, Hillary personally interviewed the famed author for her project. She concluded her thesis by stating:

    "Alinsky is regarded by many as the proponent of a dangerous socio/political philosophy. As such, he has been feared -- just as Eugene Debs [the five-time Socialist Party candidate for U.S. President] or Walt Whitman or Martin Luther King has been feared, because each embraced the most radical of political faiths -- democracy."

    Hillary would maintain her allegiance to Alinsky's teachings throughout her adult life. According to a March 2007 Washington Post report:

    "As first lady, Clinton occasionally lent her name to projects endorsed by the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), the Alinsky group that had offered her a job in 1968. She raised money and attended two events organized by the Washington Interfaith Network, an IAF affiliate."

    Ultimately, Hillary's investigation of Alinsky's methods and ideals led her to conclude that the Lyndon Johnson-era federal antipoverty programs did not go far enough in redistributing wealth among the American people, and did not give sufficient power to the poor.

    When Hillary graduated from Wellesley in 1969, she was offered a job with Alinsky's new training institute in Chicago. She opted instead to enroll at Yale Law School.

    Unlike Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama never personally met Saul Alinsky. By the time Alinsky died in 1972, Obama was only 11 years old. But as a young man, he became a master practitioner of Alinsky's methods. In 1985 a small group of 20-odd churches in Chicago offered Obama a job helping residents of poor, predominantly black, Far South Side neighborhoods. Accepting that opportunity, Obama became Director of the Developing Communities Project, where he worked for the next three years on initiatives that ranged from job training to school reform to hazardous waste cleanup. David Freddoso, author of the 2008 book The Case Against Barack Obama, summarizes Obama's community-organizing efforts as follows:

    "He pursued manifestly worthy goals; protecting people from asbestos in government housing projects is obviously a good thing and a responsibility of the government that built them. But [in every case except one] the proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was a distribution of government funds ..."

    Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained at the Alinsky-founded Industrial Areas Foundation. (The Developing Communities Project itself was an affiliate of the Gamaliel Foundation, whose modus operandi for the creation of “a more just and democratic society” is rooted firmly in the Alinsky method.)

    One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method, Mike Kruglik, would later say the following about Obama:

    "He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

    For several years, Obama himself taught workshops on the Alinsky method. Also, beginning in the mid-1980s, Obama worked with ACORN, the Alinskyite grassroots political organization that grew out of George Wiley's National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO).

    This profile was written by John Perazzo in April 2008.

    This is from the above article on Saul Alinsky.

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  11. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Let's just recapitulate, Pearl. We both agree that Saul Alinsky authored Rules for Radicals: A-Practical-Primer-Realistic for Realistic Radicals. No dispute.

    You replicated an article that has been circulating about the interwebs in the Op that attributes authorship of
    to Saul Alinsky. That is the claim that is in dispute. You have provided no evidence that this publication actually exists, let alone that Saul Alinsky actually is its author.

    What you have provided is the actual probable inspiration for the article that you replicated. short, inspiration for the ideas expressed in the apocryphal "How to Create a Socialist State" mentioned in the article you quoted, most probably rests with
    as read into the Fla House record by the HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA in 1963. Nothing to do with Saul Alinsky whatsoever, other than as a convenient, dishonest means by which right wing conservatives could to attack President Obama and presidential candidate, Hilary Clinton.

    Dead folk have little opportunity to refute the authorship of publications that are attributed to them, with no evidence whatsoever, by the living.
  12. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I looked over the pdf version and there are not in there... Now, I wonder where in the heck Beck got this tripe. I would have thought he would not have made something like this up (note to self: Don't be daft!). Pity really because some of them are quite good. I especially thought RULE #5 and #10 were worth remembering... The GOOD news is I don't have to pay $12 on Amazon to read Alinsky's book because the rules aren't in there. Pity though...
  13. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Who said ""And you would have thought, you know, that she'd robbed a bank the way they carried on about this," he said Thursday. "And some of them, when they're 60, they'll forget something when they're tired at 11 o'clock at night, too.""
    Answer: Bill Clinton when commenting on Hillary's statement she was fired on by snipers in Bosnia.
    Analysis: The Bill Clinton factor -

    Guess we know what happened at Benghazi...

    "“I just tried you on the phone but you were all in with S [apparent reference to then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton],” reads the email, from Panetta’s chief of staff Jeremy Bash. “After consulting with General Dempsey, General Ham and the Joint Staff, we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak.”"
    'Spinning up as we speak': Email shows Pentagon was ready to roll as Benghazi attack occurred | Fox News

    Hillary had another senior moment???

    Bringing up Hillary wasn't a wise move..:)
  14. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    I added the communist goals because it is a warning to America. I should have made that clear.

    The line you are having trouble with was an assumption by the author of the article because of what he stood for. What do you think his( Alinsys') purpose,was if not to change everything in America?

    The rules are condensed form of the book.
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  15. pearlselby

    pearlselby Monkey++

    Alinsky’s Rules + Cloward-Piven = Obama’s Fundamental Change to Socialism

    @chelloveck, I think this is the answer for you. It seems the left try to play a shell game with both Alinsky writings and cloward and piven. This is done on purpose to cloud the facts.
    So, you are right. It is cloward and piven and they work so well together.

    The statement How to create a social state is actually attributed to Cloward and Piven.


    When you first heard about Obama’s plan to fundamentally transform America, you probably wondered “into what?” Well, the answer, as many speculated, is a Social State. Socialism. And anyone that said that was mocked and ridiculed by the people who were planning to implement it. (See Rule #5 below.)

    In less than 5 minutes you will know the Progressive’s plan and their tactics. Please take the time, read this and refer to it often. And tell others.

    There are 2 sections in this post.

    The first is the 8 point plan to implement Socialism. This plan was not enumerated in Alinsky’s book, but Alinsky inspired two Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven to devise the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” which seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This strategy is often attributed to Alinsky and left wing websites like Snopes have tried to discredit the plan by declaring it false because Alinsky didn’t actually write the 8 steps in his book. But Snopes conveniently fails to correctly attribute the work to Cloward and Piven.

    The second is the 12 “Rules” for implementation of this plan. The tactics or “rules” work equally as well on the left to fight the plan, which is in it’s final stages of implementation.

    Section 1:

    How to create a social state – The Cloward-Piven Strategy:

    There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

    The first is the most important.

    1.Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.
    2.Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
    3.Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
    4.Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state
    5.Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)
    6.Education – Take control of what people read and listen to us“ take control of what children learn in school.
    7.Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
    8.Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

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  16. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    As fascinating as the anecdotes about Hilary and Bill are in your post, they are not relevant to the use of Saul Alinsky as a proxy to attack Obama and H.Clinton with guilt by association smears. You have introduced Interesting red herrinngs to the conversation, but red herrings none the less.
  17. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

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  18. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Now, that is interesting! That's a bit more than 15% of the population... Whew! Maybe I am going about this wrong. Where is my government cheese!?!? :):)
  19. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Hey now...don't forget your free obummer phone as well. ;)
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