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Shoud christians celebrate pagan holidays?

Discussion in 'Faith and Religion' started by skyking, Jul 18, 2011.

  1. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    I always love this topic,

    Shoud christians celebrate pagan holidays?
    many christains celebrate christmas, easter, and halloween ,valentines day ,mardi gras, april fools etc Now if being a christian and if christianity is the true religion how does this practice continue to go on ? Most people who have done a little research know the true origin of these pagan holidays and rituals.

    So my question is why do christians still celebrate these pagan holidays?
  2. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    My question then would be: Why not?
    If it harms none and you are a true believer, then it harms no one.
  3. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    I celebrate Christmas to honor the birth of Jesus-no matter what the real date was. Also the Passover or Resurrection Day to honor His return from the dead. I know the next post will be about how the early Catholic church changed the dates to coincide with pagan holidays to gain more converts (money/power) but still there is always the "reason for the season". Jesus was born and resurrected--'nuff reason to celebrate. The others, I just ignore them.
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  4. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    to be honest 06 no ,you've already mentioned that there is another date and a "discrepency " in traditions.

    if we let scripture interpret scripture ,then we should find these holidays listed in the bible and the instructions on how to observe them ,correct ?
    Scripture is crystal clear on all times and seasons if I read it right..

    if I understand your meaning of,"reason for the season" then your celebration is based on traditions and emotions ?

    If there is the slightest chance your teachings and information have been in error is the alternative something you want to know about?

    Is this the date your refering to ?The Messiah of Israel Born on the Feast of Trumpets on September 11th in 3 B.C.
    On What Day Was Jesus Born?
    by Michael Shiefler

  5. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    My question would be Why ?

    If you're a true believer and we've agreed from the opening post that these holidays are steeped in pagan rituals and history ,then my question would be why be in agreement with those customs which is what your doing by observing them..

    are you aware of the feast or holidays that ARE in scripture ?
  6. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

  7. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    Get Rid of Easter Christmas

    Get Rid of Easter Christmas Here is the Deal!


    When this video was created on God's Learning Channel, no one could have anticipated that it would be one of THE MOST popular videos in the entire Hebraic Roots Movement, much less one of the top videos watched on the world's largest pod-casting site in ALL of Christianity! (Praise the Lord!)

    This is from Jim Staley /Passion for Truth ministries

    Tens of thousands of people's lives have been changed because of the information on this video.
  8. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Should christians celebrate pagan holidays...???
    Why Hell Yeah..!!!
    I have yet to see one refuse the 8 or 12 hrs. Holiday pay...
    After they moan and groan but ''It's a Pagan Holiday''...
    None,Zero..Have ever refused the extra coin...Why..I ask them..Are you taking the money...??..I'm answered with a big grin...
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  9. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    you are brutally honest my friend[whipem]
  10. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    ^^^Hahahaha...I'm old school and not a member of ''The Kinder,Gentler Oilfield''...
  11. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    Scot Dryer - 1\3 - Hebrew Calendar, Feasts & The Menorah

    This is the flip side of the holiday coin if you will.These are the feast described in Leviticus 23:1-44.
    Please understand that 4 out of these seven have been completed according to prophecy,and those are the spring feast.There are 3 left to be fulfilled according to prophecy.The fall feast. I understand that this may as well be a foreign language to many and we have our church leaders to blame for that.Now we can start to see that if we can let go of the "traditions" of man we can start to come back into covenant with the ALMIGHTY and prepare ourselves for the events getting ready to happen in the near future.
    Leviticus 23

    Feasts of the LORD

    1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
    The Sabbath

    3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
    The Passover and Unleavened Bread

    4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.
    The Feast of Firstfruits

    9 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the LORD. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to the LORD, for a sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain until the same day that you have brought an offering to your God; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
    The Feast of Weeks

    15 ‘And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. 16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the LORD. 17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the LORD. 18 And you shall offer with the bread seven lambs of the first year, without blemish, one young bull, and two rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to the LORD, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma to the LORD. 19 Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering. 20 The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the LORD for the priest. 21 And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
    22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the LORD your God.’”
    The Feast of Trumpets

    23 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 24 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. 25 You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.’”
    The Day of Atonement

    26 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying: 27 “Also the tenth day of this seventh month shall be the Day of Atonement. It shall be a holy convocation for you; you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. 28 And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the LORD your God. 29 For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”
    The Feast of Tabernacles

    33 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the LORD. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it. 36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.
    37 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire to the LORD, a burnt offering and a grain offering, a sacrifice and drink offerings, everything on its day— 38 besides the Sabbaths of the LORD, besides your gifts, besides all your vows, and besides all your freewill offerings which you give to the LORD.
    39 ‘Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the LORD for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest, and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest. 40 And you shall take for yourselves on the first day the fruit of beautiful trees, branches of palm trees, the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the LORD your God for seven days. 41 You shall keep it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths for seven days. All who are native Israelites shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel dwell in booths when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.’”
    44 So Moses declared to the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

    ‪Scot Dryer - 13 - Hebrew Calendar, Feasts & The Menorah‬‏ - YouTube

    ‪Scot Dryer - 23 - Hebrew Calendar, Feasts & The Menorah‬‏ - YouTube

    ‪Scot Dryer - 33 - Hebrew Calendar, Fall Feasts & Messiah‬‏ - YouTube
  12. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Heck if it weren't for these holidays I'd work 50 full weeks a year. Thank God for pagans!
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  13. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    The Eight Pagan Sabbaths:

    What is so bad about these holidays?

    In Mark 7:13, Yahu'shua tells us that the traditions of men make the word of YHWH Elohim ineffective in our lives. If abandoning these traditions of men will cause the word of Yah to become more effective in our lives, then we must abandon Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Valentine’s Day and every other vestige of sun god worship that has been “dressed up” to appear “Christian.” We must go back to the Feasts ordained by YHWH which commemorate our Messiah, and we must renounce the pagan holidays that are celebrated in the church today. All of these pagan practices are to commemorate Nimrod and the many supposed reincarnated sun gods, as illustrated below on the pagan sabbath wheel:

    Pictured above are eight pagan "Sabbaths" of the Witches and Pagans, & Wicca, but they are also disguised as "Christian" holidays!

    The Eight Pagan Sabbaths:

    1.) Imbolc Saint Valentine’s Day: February 2nd-February 15th

    2.) Ostara (Easter): Rome changed it to Passover week to identify her with Messiah’s Resurrection:
    March 21st-March 25th (Pope changed to Passover week to confuse with Christ)

    3.) Beltane (Mayfest): (goddess of fertility/Mary) May 1st

    4.) Midsummer Solstice (First Day of Summer): June 21st (Catholics call it St. John’s Day)

    5.) Lugnasad (Catholic Mary’s Ascension): August 1st-August 15th

    6.) Mabon (First Day of Autumn): September 21st

    7.) Samhain (Halloween): Catholic “All-Saints Day” and “All-Souls Day” October 31st

    8.) Yule (Christmas): birthday of false Christ: December 21st-December 25th

    The “Yule” Wheel is a pagan representation of all the annual celebrations offered up to the pagan sun god and moon goddess in their many different “reincarnated” forms. The wheel has eight segments signifying “eight pagan Sabbaths” each year. Notice the five pointed star of witchcraft also called the “Eastern Star.” The star is within a circle representing the sun god, Baal.

    This is the Pagan Yule Wheel used by witches and Wiccans. You will notice that all of these pagan feasts are on important “Christian” holidays. Yule is Christmas; Ostara is Easter; Beltane is Mayfest; Imbolic is Saint Valentine’s Day; Lughnasadh is the “Assumption of Mary” in the Catholic Church; Samhain is “All-Saints” Day or Halloween.

    This image is from ancient Babylon representing the “sun god” Baal or “Shamesh.” Notice the “eight” sections symbolizing the “eight pagan Sabbaths.”
  14. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    If I were a practicing Hebrew then I might keep these. Till then I will let them keep theirs and I mine. Bothers me that some try to run people's lives for them and instruct them in everything. When God convicts me about things then I will listen to him. Until then I will let the Jews/Hebrews do their dancing thing every month or two and I will do my worshipping thing remembering the birth/resurrection of His Son-my Savior/Redeemer/etc.
  15. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Well.... that is part of what He said. Let me finish the passage for you:
    I don't think us going to a musical presentation celebrating the birth of Himself is what He was talking about. In fact this passage directly contradicts that. Now, if I was a Middle Age pagan and the festivals caused me to stumble, I would throw them out. I don't think that applies to most of us who have no idea what pagan celebrations are.

    Don't ignore what defiles a man. Its not a celebration that he goes to... it's his heart.

    The same applies to 90% of your posts- pork, names, holidays. These are just things. What defiles a man is what comes out of him.
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  16. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    I 'celebrate' no holidays. I do enjoy the time off from work. Some holidays I find other reasons to honor it - like Gen. Robert E. Lee's birthday on that 'holiday' in mid/late January.
    I honor the Military Veterans on Veteran's Day and Memorial Day. I honor our nation's birth on Independence Day. I hoist a cup to myself on Labor Day - I earned it.

    Christmas, Easter and Valentine's Day are simply too commercialized these days. I honor Christ's birth, but realize the 'holiday' we use is not truly the day, as Easter is not on the correct day.

    Maybe I've become simply too jaded as I age.......
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  17. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    not sure whether to laugh or cry 06 ,I understand your dislike for me bringing these things up and I'm not pointing fingers ,I used to observe all these right along with everyone else....this is just hard cold facts and scripture or at least that's what I'm trying to share.
    please tell me what a practicing Hebrew is ????

    Question :who exactly wrote and coped and transcribed the bible ,who was His Son-my Savior/Redeemer/etc a blue eyed blonde haired english spaking church going baptis preacher from TN ?

    tell me about this dancing thing [dunno]

    type and shadow of things to come
    Zechariah 14:16-19

    16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

  18. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    Today is National Lollipop day. :)
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  19. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    I'm only using you here my friend because you answered the way most people view this subject ,I'll not argue your motives or reasoning here I will however say that it saddens me on how much your missing out on. You've heard I'm sure about the Marriage Supper upon the Messiahs return and if you research prophecy and scripture you'll find out that most scholars feel that will be during the Feast of Tabernacles and the Feast of Trumpets....what does scripture say will happen when Jesus returns ? Day of Atonement what would you be doing if you just heard what scripture says about the blaring of the trumpets.Your called to be set apart 06 and exactly how can you do that if your doing what everyone else is doing?
    Have you ever noticed that no where in the bible was the majority ever correct about anything ?
    I just wondered if you had thought about all the feast/holidays/appointed times mentioned in scripture.I'm not sure if you have a family or not ,if you do imagine celebrating a day or times that the Yahua/God set apart long ago for his children to honor him and his appointed times with your family.Not some man made holiday.These times were given long before there was a Jew or a Santa or an Egg bunny or ...so who do you serve man or God?
  20. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    Galatians 4:9-11

    Galatians 4:9-11

    9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces[a]? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

    And from Dr. H.A. Ironside's Lectures on the Book of Revelation (1920: p. 301):
    "It is a lamentable fact that Babylon's principles and practices are rapidly but surely pervading the churches that escaped from Rome at the time of the Reformation. We may see evidences of it in the wide use of high-sounding ecclesiastical titles, once unknown in the reformed churches, in the revival of holy days and church feasts such as Lent, Good Friday, Easter, and Christ's Mass, or, as it is generally written, Christmas. ... some of these festivals ... when they are turned into church festivals, they certainly come under the condemnation of Galatians 4:9-11, where the Holy Spirit warns against the observance of days and months and times and seasons. All of them, and many more that might be added, are Babylonish in their origin, and were at one time linked with the Ashtoreth and Tammuz mystery-worship. It is through Rome that they have come down to us; and we do well to remember that Babylon is a mother, with daughters who are likely to partake of their mother's characteristics ..."
    And, finally, from Alexander Hislop's 1916 classic, The Two Babylons: Or the Papal Worship:
    "Upright men strove to stem the tide, but in spite of all their efforts, the apostasy went on, till the Church, with the exception of a small remnant, was submerged under Pagan superstition. That Christmas is a Pagan festival is beyond all doubt. The time of the year and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin."
    We can summarize by saying that nowhere in Scripture are we commanded to commemorate the birth of our Lord, and God the Father evidently deemed it unwise to make the date known. Hence, it will always remain unknown and is not to be ceremoniously remembered and celebrated. (In fact, as pointed out in the Ironside quote above, God has warned us about getting entangled with any special days [Gal. 4:10]). Notice though, that we are commanded to remember Him in His death (but no special day was specified for this either):
    "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; this DO in remembrance of Me" (Luke 22:18,19; 1 Cor. 11:23-26).
    To commemorate His death is Scriptural. Any day of the year will do. To commemorate His birth is non-Scriptural, even extra-Scriptural (Deut. 4:2; 12:32; Prov. 30:6; Rev. 22:19), whether one chooses December 25th or any other day.
    If God had desired us to remember the day of Christ's birth, He could have left us the precise date. But if He had, He would have vindicated every astrologer in the past 2,000 years. In occult circles, the anniversary of a person's birth is the most important metaphysical day of the year. The Bible recognizes no such significance. It is intriguing that there are only two birthday celebrations recorded in the entire Bible and they were both those of ungodly kings -- and both resulted in an execution (Gen. 40:16-22 and Matt. 14:6-10/Mark 6:21-27)!

    The Apostle Paul says: "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross [not the manger] of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world" (Gal. 6:14). By itself, we find no salvation in the birth of the Lord Jesus, for salvation was only made possible through His death (i.e., His shed blood) and resurrection. Our focus should be on the cross and our ascended Savior, not in a cradle.
    Those who love Jesus should certainly rejoice that He was born and lived amongst us as a man. But if we truly want to glorify Him and bear testimony of who He is, we must stop marrying that blessed gift with the debauchery of paganism. If we want to honor His birth, let it be done as He would have done it: year-round unselfishly serving our fellow man as an unending act of love for our God. Let us put away all of the mixture of pagan customs and take up His mantle and His pure worship, and show the confused world that there is a difference.
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