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Slavery and a few facts

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by OldDude49, Aug 9, 2016.

  1. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    Europeans Abolished Slavery; Africans/Muslims Still Practice It

    First he exposed the History Channel’s miniseries “Roots” as root-and-brunch fiction. Now, the courageous epistolary warrior Kunta (Jack) Kerwick has turned his attention to correcting lies about slavery, promulgated in media and scholarly circles.

    A point forcefully made by Kerwick is that although a vibrant, indigenous slave trade was conducted well into the nineteenth century in the interior of West Africa, slavery has become the White Man’s cross to bear.

    Also omitted, in the course of the “honest” conversation about race directed by our political masters, is that credit for the demise of the slave trade in Africa belongs to Europeans. In his compact study, The Slave Trade (London, 2006), British historian Jeremy Black highlights the “leading role Britain played in the abolition of slavery [as]… an example of an ethical foreign policy.” Britain agonized over this repugnant institution, failed to reconcile it with the Christian faith, and consequently abolished it.

    Professor Black condemns the exclusive focus on the Atlantic—or transatlantic—slave trade to the exclusion of the robust slave trade conducted by Arabs across the Sahara Desert. Or, across the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea to markets in the Middle East. This exclusive focus on westerners as slave owners and traders, notes Black, “fits with the [political] narrative of Western exploitation” of undeveloped countries and their people.

    The greatest development economist to live was Lord P. T. Bauer. As The Economist quipped, Bauer was to foreign aid what Friedrich Hayek was to socialism: a slayer. In his Dissent on Development (London, 1971), Bauer bolstered Black’s point well before the latter made it: “The slave trade between Africa and the Middle East antedated the Atlantic slave trade by centuries, and far outlasted it. Tens of millions of Africans were carried away—north through the Sahara, and from East Africa, by Arab and Muslim slave traders, well before Europeans took up the trade from West Africa.”

    Arab affinity for slavery, ethnic prejudice and purges lives on today in the treatment, for example, of blacks in Darfur and Yazidis in Kurdistan, Iraq.

    Considering Europeans were not alone in the slave trade, Black, in particular, questions “the commonplace identification of slavery with racism,” given that, like serfdom, slavery was a device (albeit an inefficient one) “to ensure labor availability and control.”

    At its most savage, child slavery still thrives in Haiti in the form of the “Restavec system.” Children are kept in grinding poverty and worked to the bone. In the Anglo-American and European worlds this would be considered perverse in the extreme; in Haiti owning a Restavec is a status symbol. (Haiti, incidentally, is another spot on the globe that “Hillary Clinton’s State Department” “helped ruin,” by ensconcing an illegitimate and crooked leader, with a preference for corrupt NGOs such as … The Clinton Foundation.)

    The savagery of the indigenous slave trade in the interior of West Africa owed a lot to the rivalries and relationships between African powers. By Black’s telling, “Both Arabs and Europeans worked in collaboration with native polities that provided the slaves through raids and war carried out against their neighbors.”

    For the Atlantic slave trade, contemporary Americans and Britons have been expiating at every turn. But more than engendering a cult of apology, the Atlantic slave trade has been instrumental in the effort to control and define the past as an “aspect of current politics,” not least in shaping the historical treatment of the Civil War, the South, and the American Founding Fathers.

    Jeremy Black rejects these ritual apologies as empty ploys, which “all too often conform to fatuous arguments about ‘closure,’ resolution, and being unable to move on until we acknowledge the past.”

    In reality, this bowing-and-scraping, by obsequious Anglo-Americans, to their black political overlords, entails the opposite of all these, and, instead, involves the reiteration and institutionalization of racial grievance.

    The cult of apology that has gripped America and Britain is uniquely Western. What other people would agonize over events they had no part in, personally, for damages they did not inflict?

    Grievance is leveled at a collective, all whites, for infractions it did not commit: Africans who were not enslaved are seen as having an ineffable claim against Europeans who did not enslave them.

    At its core, the argument against racism, at least as it works to further black interests, is an argument against collectivism. You’re meant to avoid judging an entire people based on the color of their epidermis or the conduct of a statistically significant number of them.

    It is, however, deemed perfectly acceptable to malign and milk Europeans for all they’re worth, based on the lack of pigment in their skin and their overall better socio-economic performance.

    Adapted from Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011) by ILANA Mercer.

    Europeans Abolished Slavery; Africans/Muslims Still Practice It
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  2. AxesAreBetter

    AxesAreBetter Monkey+++

    Few things.
    1. Africans captured and got rid of people in the tribe they didn't like by BRINGING them to be bought into slavery.
    2. The first slave owner in America (Haiti) was Black!
    3. There is still slavery, as mentioned.
    4. As an anecdote, I met a rural African in college, and much to my surprise, I had to explain the "slave trade" to him because he had never heard of it. Apparently. I was very surprised, and after pausing to get clarification from me on the finer points, straight up asked me if I wanted to buy some of his enemies from back home!
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  3. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I set all my slaves free years ago and gave each of them a gun and reparations. They were so grateful, they made me an honorary negro and African! I cannot begin to say how not carrying the burden of white guilt has emancipated my soul, increased the diversity of my cookbook and dialect and I can now dance and I actually believe my penis may have grown larger. Hillary for President!
  4. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    [LMAO][LMAO] And you probably got a pet moose out of the deal
  5. UncleMorgan

    UncleMorgan I eat vegetables. My friends are not vegetables.

    I never was very much interested in keepin' slaves an' suchlike.
    Except for the Red Silk, of course.
  6. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    Some interesting facts :
    Many slaves right up to 1900 where white and were slaves in America well before there were black slaves.
    There were Russian and Irish slaves that were bought or rented they were to serve 10 years on average and then
    were released is the only difference, they were not paid and were often housed with the black slaves they were not white in the eyes of the owners. In fact there were many black land owners that had white immigrant slaves and black slaves, this part of history you wont ever hear about but its very factual.
    We as a nation have wanted to create a victimization of one race, when in reality all races were victimized in America.
    Now what is very upsetting is guess who is missed when BLM and other scream about their ancestors being slaves.
    More then 1/3 of slaves from 1700 to 1850 were American Indians. More history you wont hear.
    There was propaganda long before there was a way to tweet and facebook, Democrats far and wide have been re-writing history since the civil war.
  7. Idahoser

    Idahoser Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I wonder why it isn't just common knowledge how much like slavery is illegal immigration.
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  8. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Aside from the racial divide. women were also property, chattels, although the male "owner" was not taxed on their value as he was with other slave property. As I still feel the sting of slavewoman ancestors, I, for one, am looking for reparations NOW
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  9. Idahoser

    Idahoser Monkey+++ Founding Member

    it's your lucky day. Poof! You're free. Now don't go believing in democrats if you want to stay that way.
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  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Many of my Scottish forebears were apprenticed and or indentured to artificers and sea captains. All were released in more or less timely fashion as measured at the time. Nonetheless, timely was in the eye of the master. I'm owed for generations of essentially slave labor by those that held my clan in subjugation (along with the rest of the clans outlawed) not even mentioning the lands forfeit.
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  11. RightHand

    RightHand Been There, Done That RIP 4/15/21 Moderator Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Scotsmen and women unite!
  12. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I have little sympathy when I hear blacks complain about how bad they're ancestors were treated. They may have been slaves but they were valued. My ancestors were considered a plague that the government tried to eliminate.

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  13. Tonia Bond

    Tonia Bond Neophyte Monkey

    This is so bad. Everyone should be treated equally. All have the rights to live as they like
  14. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Don't forget about all the white English speaking slaves brought over to the so called "free states".
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