Clyde downloaded the folders from the Old SM. He's on a NASA Fiber T^ so it was really quick. He then uploaded all of that to the new place. really quick. If that's all there was to it, we would have been back in an hour. The tricky part was the datavase. A php forum like his and others has two seperate areas of data. One is the empty shell of a high rise building. That's what Clyde took care of. and it's a big building. 4336 folders iic... I had to merely move a 76MB database file over. The problem was that the old server was crashing so hard , I could only get nibbles at a time. I learned that the hard way. Inserting this mySQL db into the new table is trivky enough without hardware probs. Well, we got it fixed. I'll see if Clyde is available for another bandwidth burning session here soon. I think we still have a couple GIG on the old server that I want over here. After that, I'll update the nameservers to show US as survivalmonkey.com and then we can fly off from there. thanks for bearing with this move. We had a guest in the chat rpoom last night. He was surprised we had to move for such a small site, was wondering if we'd been hacked and also about the INferno. Told a few quick lines about a family getting hurt by board wars and such... lol, give a warm welcome to Toggle if you see him here.