Solar question

Discussion in 'Off Grid Living' started by Falcon15, Jan 14, 2015.


  1. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Is it on a x10 scale? And, don't shoot, just trying to help cause .71 would be 7.10...very close to your short circuit amperage.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2015
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    To forgive a late comer to the party, but this -
    Clamp Multimeter UNI-T UT202a

    doesn't say it reads DC amps.

    Nor does this -
    http://uni-trend.com/manual2/UT202A Eng.pdf

    And I, for one, do not doubt your ability to read a multi-meter.
     
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  3. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    I rolled through the Owners manual, too and didn't see where the meter in question was capable of measuring DC amperage.
     
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  4. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Let me clear the air a bit, BOTH charge controllers are showing .7 amps. My meter shows .71 to .72 amps, ASSUME for the briefest moment that my multimeter not only reads DC amps, but it is doing so with a .01 +/- amp deviation.
     
  5. Airtime

    Airtime Monkey+++

    Maybe for grins just to confirm the meter is working properly, clamp it around one of the battery cables for your car or truck. Pull the cable to the distributor or the connections off the plug coils or fuel injectors so it will NOT start. Then have someone crank the engine for 7-8 seconds while you watch the meter and confirm it gives you several hundred amps. Or use a battery load tester and try the same thing to confirm it all is working.
     
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  6. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Just covering the bases... you have clamped your DC output from the batteries when under load to test your meter, right?

    I just don't want you trashing a perfectly good solar array because of a metering issue.

    Anyway. I'd clamp that DC that is on the ground before getting back on the roof and playing with the PV's.
     
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  7. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    Well the EE in me says that since the operating manual for that meter doesn't say that it reads DC amps, that it doesn't and you should toss it and get another that does say it reads DC AMPS. Your charge controllers (both of them) may be saying .7 AMPS and be correct, as they are charging the batteries, but only drawing .7 AMPS to do so. They will not be drawing the full output of the panels if they do not need that full output to charge the panels.
     
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  8. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Falc, you need to look at "Power" not just Amps.... In that unless you have MPPT chargeControllers, the Battery Voltage is the limiting Factor, In the Power Equation. The Battery Voltage is limiting how Power can be pushed thru the Battery, due to the Internal Resistance of the worst Cell, in the Series, string of Cells. All the extra Amps that the panel might be capable of putting out, in the current lighting conditions, re wasted in Heat, by the Controller, or the Panel itself.
     
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  9. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    AZ you got it , It's a AC only meter after 1/2 hour of reading to find the spec's on it.
    THAT Meter no good on a DC load , & I do know how these work , Since it's my Trade.
    First is You need to have SUN & close to us in the northern hem , winter it's away & for that panel to make 7.XX amps thats the BEST it will ever do , so close counts . Summer & noon june 31 , no smog etc you might see 6.6-7 amps on a hardwired DVM in DC Amps while its shorted with the meter & 90* to the sun , off a bit the reading will be less .
    I not putting up 350W panels without a check & make sure all is correct , the ones I just checked last month were all the same at 6 amps (mean) should be 8.97 but Winter & best sun I can get @ 50 latitude .

    So to do this amp check with a DVM that can handle 10 amps , IF NOT SMOKE THE METER/maybe fuse .
    Never hook up in sun , throw a blanket over it & wait till there is no more current. any arcing in the connections is poor & I have a made up set of MC4's that let me just plug in without damaging them (NO POWERor ARCing ) . If I can't change the angle of the panel , but I have more than one to check , I use the adv . I see say EG: 3, 3.2 , 3.1 , 2.9 but the 2.9 is kinda dirty , I'd say all good , I see 3.2,5.6 ,5.4,5.2 then I have a problem & it could just be a bad MC4 from a Arc while it was being disconnected etc.

    Lots of magic in this DC solar trip ..
    I had My Classics have the fans running today at 10am !! Thats a welcome noise in the PNW at winter !!!!
     
  10. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Then why is the panel, raw, and unconnected to anything not producing the short circuit Amps it is rated for?
     
  11. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    So you have the two leads + & - shorted to a real DC meter(not that posted pix of a AC clamp-on ) & you get .7 amps @ near 0 volts during full sun ?

    Sloth
     
  12. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    Can you take a pic of your setup with the meter attached with the solar panel short circuited, and post it?
     
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  13. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    So, where are we on this?

    Meter verified to read DC?
    Panels covered, disconnected and tested?
    Wiring Checked to be correct?

    I am assuming this system was operational before this event, right @Falcon15?
     
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  14. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    I was hoping to check each panel before the combiner . We do need sun & at close to 90* as possible (use a square on the panel to see a shadow & distance like a 3,4,5 for right angles will tell us the deflection off of 90* ..

    MY 48 panels are fixed due to wind . I'll just add more if ever needed to beam a signal back to ET .
    So my panels only get close to rated during summer . Im not resetting during winter because of liquid sunshine takes over .


    SLoth
     
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  15. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Bump
     
  16. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    So bumping them makes them Work ??
    ;)
    I have the strangest panel with the 24V system , all 8 were put up within a few weeks early last year. I didn't wash them because they were new etc .Went to a trade show & saw the totally all new fixes the world stuff for glass & showers that beads off water etc. Well I decided to do just two because of cost for this "Magic Smoke & Mirror" chemical & see if it makes a difference in harvesting since im 4 feeds of 2 series .
    Of the 8 panels , I have the first one thats normaly cleaner that I have not done anything different from the other 6 , but the two with there magic blessing looks the same as the other 7 ..
    GOT me , rain / dew etc one is different than the other 7 & the two treated are matching the the seven ..
     
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  17. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Just looking for closure, CS... :rolleyes:
     
  18. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    Yes I figured , My retort was for info & Why TF ? Only one self drains & never beads ,but all came from the same crates .
     
  19. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    OK here is an update. I am still having problems.

    There are two BRAND NEW 12 V deep cycle batteries (in parallel), the same solar panels.

    I have installed a Tracer MPPT solar charger and the MT-5 monitoring panel. I chose this brand because the 12V power system installed in my RV is a Tracer also, and I was seeking compatibility across the board. The system is set for flooded cell batteries (which these are) and the appropriate amp hours.

    The monitoring system is telling me my brand new batteries have 65% capacity. Sometimes the capacity drops to 62% then goes back up.

    It is showing both fully charged at ~13.2 V (they registered at 14.3 V when I first hooked them up). Both batteries are marked having been made this year, in April and June, respectively.

    Why is my bank not showing the 100% capacity one would expect?
     
  20. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Parallel, MPPT
     
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