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  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Does someone have time to check the info???

    In our Search for the truth...

    …..department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check this out and they said it was false and there were no such dockets so I ‘Googled’ the Supreme Court, typed in ‘Obama-Kagan,’ and guess what? Yep you got it. Snopes lied. Everyone of those dockets are there.

    So Here is what I wrote Snopes:
    Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barak Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Court’s website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to . I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking.
    Thank You, I hope you will be much more truthful in the future.

    That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this.

    Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them.
    Folks, this is really ugly.

    Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on...

    Once again the US Senate sold us out!
    Well, someone figured out why Obama nominated Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court.... Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama.

    She was the Solici to r General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be there.

    Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:
    You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?? Elana Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!!!

    Check out these examples:
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm <http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm>

    If you are not interested in justice or in truth delete this


    If you hold sacred the freedoms granted to you by the U.S. Constitution…

    By all means, please… PASS it ON!

    “…There truly is tyranny afoot.”

    ~ Dennis Staer ~
  2. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I'll write factcheck.org, Quigs...They actually gave me an honest answer on a question I asked them one time. And it was not Obama friendly....I'll send a letter and let you know what I get back....
    Meanwhile, I'll ream snopes...and keep searching factcheck. ;)
  3. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    LOL !!! Redeemed. I have always said Snopes was biased.
  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Snopes is published from teh Pentagon.
  5. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Interesting articles...

    Kagan and Obama Go Way Back | NBC Chicago

    Personal ties bind Obama, Kagan - The Boston Globe

    WASHINGTON — If Elena Kagan is confirmed as the next Supreme Court justice, President Obama will have something that has become increasingly rare for presidents: a personal friend on the court.
    Indeed, when Obama introduced Kagan at the White House as his court nominee, it sounded almost as if he were talking about himself: a former Chicago law professor, Harvard graduate, and White Sox fan who eschewed the lucrative world of corporate law to focus on academia and public service.
    Obama brought her into his administration by nominating her to be solicitor general and now, after slightly more than a year in that job, he wants to elevate her to the Supreme Court.
    Obama and Kagan first met in the early 1990s in Chicago. While they are not close friends, they have maintained their relationship over the years through common outlooks on politics and law, according to those who know or closely watch them. The arc of their careers sent each to trailblazing heights: Kagan as the first woman to be dean of Harvard Law School and Obama as the first African-American in the White House.
    Obama and Kagan “do seem to have similar takes on the court, a moderate-progressive view that the courts can play a useful, progressive role, but it needs to be constrained,’’ said Geoffrey R. Stone, professor and former dean of the University of Chicago Law School, who knew both Obama and Kagan when they taught in Chicago. “My guess is, if they were voting on cases as justices, they probably would be very similar.’’
    Former University of Chicago law professor Albert Altschuler called both Obama and Kagan “lawyers’ lawyers.’’ Their approach is, “here’s a legal problem — let’s see if I can solve it,’’ said Altschuler, who taught with Kagan.
    Many presidents of the past have nominated friends and associates to the high court. President Lincoln named his former campaign manager to the high court, and Andrew Jackson appointed several friends to the Supreme Court.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt picked his Securities and Exchange Commission chairman, William O. Douglas; Harry S. Truman named his attorney general, Tom C. Clark; and Lyndon Johnson picked his friend Abe Fortas, although Fortas’s later nomination to be promoted to chief justice was filibustered by the Senate.
    But the practice of nominating friends has been less common in recent years, according to Fred McClure, a Washington-based lawyer who shepherded three Reagan and Bush administration nominees through their confirmations. Then-President George W. Bush in 2005 tried to revive the practice by nominating his friend, White House counsel Harriet Miers — only to have her withdraw amid an uproar about her qualifications.
    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, dismissing suggestions by some conservatives that the pick of Kagan amounted to cronyism, said he has “a hard time understanding the analogy’’ between Miers and Kagan, citing Kagan’s time as dean at Harvard Law and solicitor general.
    Whether Kagan would be an ally to the Obama administration is unclear, because justices have sometimes delivered legal opinions at odds with the political goals of the presidents who got them their jobs.
    Retiring Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens was nominated by a moderate Republican, Gerald Ford, but wound up with a reputation for being one of the most liberal members of the court. Kagan has never served as a judge and has relatively few published academic writings, leaving observers across the political spectrum to speculate about her views.
    As a result, Obama’s personal knowledge of Kagan may have been key to his decision to pick her. They met at the University of Chicago Law School and developed a professional friendship. Kagan was a professor, and Obama was a lecturer who was on campus about 10 hours a week, according to Stone.
    In addition to Kagan’s relationship with Obama, she also has uncommonly close ties to both the president and his administration.
    She went to law school at Harvard with Ron Klain, Vice President Joe Biden’s chief of staff. She was supervisory editor of the Harvard Law Review, which Obama later would himself edit.
    She clerked for former federal Judge Albert Mikva — who would later offer a clerkship to Obama, who declined it. In the summer of 1993, she was special counsel to Biden, then a US senator from Delaware, on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
    From 1995 to 1999 she was an associate counsel, and then domestic policy aide in the Clinton White House, where she came to know such Obama administration heavyweights as chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.
    While Kagan was in the political world at the White House, Obama pursued a career in Illinois state politics, and eventually became a US senator and president. Obama named her solicitor general in 2009.
    “It is unusual, the degree to which she has worked with, or otherwise known people who are in the administration right now,’’ said Pamela Harris, a visiting professor and executive director of the Supreme Court Institute at Georgetown Law Center.
    “I’m not sure they would know that much more about her judicial philosophies,’’ because her previous jobs have not revealed that, Harris said, but “they must have a very good sense of how good she is at her job.’’
    In introducing Kagan as his nominee Monday, Obama praised her temperament, which mirrors what has become known as the milieu of “no drama Obama.’’ And instead of choosing corporate law, “she chose a life of service — service to her students, service to her country, service to the law and to all those whose lives it shapes,’’ Obama said, again an unspoken reflection on his own career path.
    Notwithstanding the parallels, Vermont Law School professor Cheryl Hanna said “Elena Kagan would have been on any Democrat’s short-list regardless of whether she knew [Obama] or not.’’ [​IMG]
  6. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    I didn't know this until a few months ago, but snopes was started by a couple who were bored. They happen to be democraps if that should tell you anything. I don't trust them for anything anymore, especially anything about what is really going on. Beware of them
  7. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I use factcheck.org, and truthorfiction most of the time...but here's some stuff I found....

    Ok...The original on Snopes.......

    Here is the counter point- snopes.com: Elena Kagan Tied to Obama's Birth Certificate?

    And a good argument to refute the previous link I found.....Good Grief...


    It explains how the birthers are right citing history.......

    Not all cases Kagan represented were suits filed against him for proof of natural born citizenship......

    Some state "The Real Truth About Obama, Inc. v. Federal Election Commission, et al." as one of those cases when it fact it was a 1st Amendment issue against the FEC..........
    Here is their "proof"

    Those who say it is a birther case are wrong. Here is the actual record........

    No. 09-724: Real Truth About Obama, Inc. v. FEC - Response (Grant/Vacate/Remand)

    Then we have....

    Louis Lutz, v.
    Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al.

    Jerome Julius Brown, Sr. v.
    Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al.

    Gary William Holt v.
    Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al.

    Are all cases that were about his status, all denied and Kagan was his attorney...........

    Abdul Hamid Abdul Salam Al-Ghizzawi v.
    Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, et al. is also lisited as a Natural Born case which Kagan defended. It is a gitmo detainee saying he was being illegally held by the US........

    Birthers use this- Search

    But none have actually read the case. They just see Kagan's name and call it a "birther" case......

    Here is the actual case........


    I should have been a researcher...I swear.

    Now....Quigs? How much do you owe me for the time spent researching....;)

    Actually, it wasn't that hard if you just use the right search criteria....That's one mistake I see made a lot...People use the incorrect words to search....

    Enough time spent on that...There's enough material to keep y'all entertained for a while...:)

  8. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Oh, and BTW, the first reference I found to "birthers" was in the Democratic party....Hillary, people in and around her camp, staffers during the primaries, etc........
  9. cornmonkey

    cornmonkey Monkey+

    As long as congress stays the way it is. This will never be brought up. If the power shifts next tuesday then maybe just maybe. Some one will have to explain in public why this sh** was allowed to happen.
  10. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

  11. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    They are all in the same evil club up there on the Hill, or they don't get on the Hill. It's so corrupted, that's why we prep. Maybe we can avoid the mass chaos and death when they decide to snuff everyone.
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