still active thermite found in wtc dust anlysis...

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  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Sopposedly published in a peer reviewed physics journal:

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scientists_find_active_superthermite_in_WTC_0404.html
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Study: 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble[/FONT]<table border="0" cellpadding="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr> <td colspan="2">Stephen C. Webster
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Published: Saturday April 4, 2009[/FONT][/FONT]


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    A team of scientists claim to have unearthed startling data from dust and debris gathered in the days and weeks after the World Trade Center towers collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001.

    In a study published by the Open Chemical Physics Journal -- a peer-reviewed, scientific publication -- Steven E. Jones and Niels Harrit level an stark allegation: that within the dust and rubble of the World Trade Center towers lays evidence of "a highly engineered explosive," contrary to all federal studies of the collapses.

    "We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center," reads the paper's abstract. "One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC)."

    They claim their analysis has uncovered "active thermitic material": a combination of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in form of thermite known as "nanostructured super-thermite."

    Thermite, used in steel welding, fireworks shows, hand grenades and demolition, can produce a chemical reaction known for extremely high temperatures focused in a very small area for a short period of time.

    According to the Navy's Small Business Innovation Research, super-thermite "is restricted under the International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR), which controls the export and import of defense-related material and services."

    "This finding really goes beyond anything that has previously been shown," said Jones in a media advisory. "We had to use sophisticated tools to analyze the dust because this isn't just a typical explosive, RDX or CD4 or something -- this is a highly engineered material not readily available to just anyone."

    "The cost and production rate of super-thermite composites has limited the use of these materials in DoD applications," claims the Navy's SBIR.

    Dr. Steven E. Jones, a former physicist at Brigham Young University and a founding member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice, presented a paper in 2005 discussing alternatives to the government's theory that massive structural damage combined with burning jet fuel to weaken the towers' support infrastructure, causing a rapid "pancake" collapse.

    In September 2006, under heavy criticism in the media and by several colleagues, the university placed Jones on paid administrative leave and his paper was removed from the BYU database.

    The National Institute of Standards and Technology, which investigated the WTC tower collapses, maintains there was no recovered evidence of explosive materials. An electronic FAQ to the government's theory is available online.

    "We get a lot of calls from people who have heard these theories," NIST spokesman Michael Newman told Newsday. "But we conducted what was probably the most complex investigation of a building collapse in history."

    "We based our conclusion on the talents of the world's best engineers and scientists, state of the art computer models and 236 pieces of steel recovered from the site," reads the NIST FAQ.

    "The collapse of the WTC towers was not caused either by a conventional building fire or even solely by the concurrent multi-floor fires that day," NIST says. "Instead, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large, jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires weakened the now susceptible structural steel."

    "No building in the United States has ever been subjected to the massive structural damage and concurrent multi-floor fires that the towers experienced on Sept. 11, 2001," the agency claims.

    This latest report, Jones told Visibility 9/11, "explodes the official story that 'no evidence' exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings. The red/gray chips are the 'loaded gun' of 9-11."

    Joe Byrne contributed to this report.

    Editor's note: This story has been updated and rewritten for balance and clarity.
    NAWW THAT'S CRAZY TALK....[dunno]:oops:
     
  2. QuietOne

    QuietOne Monkey++

    And Building 7, which was hit by NO airplanes and had much smaller fires, collapsed because...
     
  3. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    Thermite is not highly engineered. The element and molecule that form thermite are freaking everywhere.
    Every house in the USA has them.
     
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Thermite is a combination of aluminum and ferrous oxide(unless its some new super-dooper weaponized thermite found at the roswell site).

    Isn't American idol on tonight?
    Sounds like they added techno -buzz words to make it more impressive than it really is "Nano-structured super-dooper dod thermite(sham wow?) I smell bulsh*t and I posted it.
    that's why its filed here....
     
  5. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    They usually put molten sulpher in the mix to make it mailable. Sometimes, plaster of paris is added to make it into rigid shapes. Super-dooper thermite would probably use powdered magnesium rather than aluminum as the fuel for the exothermic reaction primarily because of the higher combustion temperature. An aluminum based exothermic reaction produces temps around 5-6K Farenheit while a magnesium one gets pretty darned close to 10K. Thermite is not hard to get, I mix my own to use breaking ships and barges and buy both components right off the shelf.
     
  6. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    You are one dangerous man...:)
     
  7. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Yup, I started making my own black powder at 11 years of age to wow the neighbors with my own brand of fireworks...
    Thermite...an explosive?
    'Fraid NOT....!
    LOL!
    Thermite is a NON-intimate mixture of: Fe3O4, red iron oxide, in a 50/50 mix with 600 mesh pyro aluminum.
    Nothing exciting there.
    It is hard as heck to get it to ignite and continue unless you use magnesium ribbon ignited by a torch!
    More than 70% of the military's thermite grenades malfunction and never ignited.
    They are only designed to destroy things like files in a cabinet, engine blocks and so forth. They never explode, and rarely burn, as they are supposed to.
    As a matter of fact, thermite and some call it thermate, was used primarily to WELD heavy parts as in railroad track applications/situations.
    Strange where these conspiracies originate, and continue on and on, despite reality!
    I wonder where Rosie O'Donnell is?
    This sounds like her theory that: "FIRE DOES NOT MELT STEEL"!
    Wow she's some metallugist!
    I mean, Who knew?
    and "nanostructured"?
    yup yup yup.....sure.
     
  8. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    magnesium matches (rocket motor ignitors), a simple magnesium strip terminal between two wires and a battery, or just a kids sparkler does a really good job of lighting it....putting it out is another story though.
     
  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

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  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    hmmmm????



    Danger Will Robinson....
     
  11. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Indeed, hmmmmm. I have a couple stumps that need to get out of the way of my mower ----. Maybe some tannerite if thermite won't do the job.
     
  12. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    Thanks, Sea!

    I've used Cadweld to weld inch thick bare copper wires together on many occasions, and lit it using a simple striker like the type used to light an oxy/acetylene torch. It must be very similiar to thermite, but not quite as hot, and has bits of copper in it. You put the cables together in a carbon mold (there are several types of molds, depending on cable sizes and different connection types) and pour a pre-measured cup of Cadweld over the cables. You then pour the ignition powder on top, close the mold, and light. FOUSH! let it cool and pull the mold off. Your cables are welded together.

    I always wondered what Cadweld was made of...
     
  13. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I think you'll find there is magnesium in the cadweld mixes so the sparker will ignite it. Something similar is used on railroads to ensure electrical continuity rail to rail across the fishplates. Very necessary for signal function (and for electrified rail lines.)

    [boozingbuddies]
     
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